* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. I'LL GET GOING WITH THE MEETING REMINDERS. IF YOU ARE HERE IN THE MEETING TODAY, YOU MAY ENTER YOURSELF INTO THE CHAT. THAT WAY WE CAN, UH, USE THAT FUNCTION TO MAKE A MOTION OR MAKE A COMMENT. IF YOU'RE ON THE WEBEX, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING THE CHAT FUNCTION TO DO THOSE THINGS. UM, ALSO WHEN WE GET TO THE VOTING PROCESS, IF YOU ARE ON THE WEBEX, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF AS WE APPROACH YOUR SEGMENT. THEN RETURN TO THE MUTE FUNCTION AFTER YOU HAVE CAST YOUR VOTE. THAT WILL HELP US BE A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THAT BALLOTING PROCESS. IF YOU'RE HERE IN THE MEETING TODAY, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO SIGN IN SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CAPTURE YOU FOR THE MINUTES. AND THEN FINALLY, IF THE WEBEX ENDS FOR ANY REASON, IT WILL BE A FEW MOMENTS AND WE WILL RESTART IT BACK UP. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LOG IN WITH THE SAME MEETING INFORMATION, OR WE WILL SEND SOMETHING TO THE TAC LESS SERVE. AND WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A FINAL ASK FOR THOSE IN THE ROOMS TO PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT AND THEN WE CAN GET STARTED. LAST CALL, GUYS. THANK YOU. [1. Antitrust Admonition] ALL RIGHT, CAITLYN, YOU'RE READY TO GO? ANN, IF YOU'RE READY, I'LL WAIT FOR THE GIGGLING TO STOP. OKAY. THANKS ANN. HI, SUSIE. SUSIE, I KEEP CONFUSING YOU GUYS. I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUSIE AND ANNE. THANK YOU, SUSIE AND ANNE. UM, GOOD MORNING. IT'S MARCH 25TH. IT'S OUR REGULAR MARCH TECH MEETING. I THINK THIS WILL BE OUR SHORTEST MEETING UNTIL JULY. UM, WE ARE IN PERSON TODAY. SCHEDULE'S A LITTLE FLEXIBLE. I THINK WE'LL TAKE LUNCH AROUND NOON, UNLESS WE'RE REALLY ON TRACK TO FINISH BY ONE OR SO. UM, REGARDLESS, I HAVE TO STEP OUT FROM 12 TO 1230. UH, SO IF WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A BREAK FOR LUNCH, MARTHA WILL TAKE OVER. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE AN ITEM THAT I WILL YIELD TO THE CHAIR ON. UM, OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS ON THE AGENDA. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE UP RPG EARLY, AROUND 10 30 AS AS CLOSE, BUT AFTER, SO OPPOSITE OF PRICES, RATE RULES, ALT REPS AND PRO PROXIES TODAY. UM, ALT REPS IN THE CONSUMER SEGMENT. UH, GARRETT KENT HAS BRETT THOMPSON. IN THE CO-OP SEGMENT. JOHN PACKARD HAS LUCAS TURNER IN THE IPM SEGMENT, JEREMY CARPENTER HAS AMANDA DEION. IN THE IPM SEGMENT, REMI HAS SHANE THOMAS. IN THE IOU SEGMENT, KEITH NICKS HAS ROB BEVEL. AND IN THE MUNICIPAL SEGMENT, DAVID KEY HAS DIANA COLEMAN AT 1:30 PM FOR PROXIES IN THE CONSUMER SEGMENT. UM, NICK BECK HAS GIVEN HIS PROXY TO MARK DREYFUS AND THE IPM SEGMENT. SETH HAS GIVEN HIS PROXY TO SHANE THOMAS AND THE IRE SEGMENT. CHRIS HENDRICKS HAS GIVEN HIS PROXY TO BILL BARNES, AND ALSO IN THE I REP SEGMENT. JENNIFER SCHMIDT HAS GIVEN HER PROXY TO BILL BARNES. SO BILL BARNES IS THE, UH, MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE ROOM. AND, UH, THEME OF THE MONTH. UM, WE, WE DECIDED TO, OR I DECIDED THAT WE WOULD ROTATE. SO IT IS, IS A REP'S TURN. IT IS THE, THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE ROOM. BILL BARNES TURN TO GIVE US A THEME OF THE MONTH. YES, THANK YOU. UM, WE APPRECIATE THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT. THE REPS TOOK THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. WE CAUCUSED YESTERDAY, UH, EVENING WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DISCUSS A, A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND YOU CAUCUS, YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING. AND SO WE CAUCUSED. OKAY. UM, AND CONSIDERING THAT WE HAD OUR HUNDREDTH BATS WORKSHOP YESTERDAY IN LESS THAN 90 DAYS, FEELS LIKE, AND THERE'S JUST SO MUCH GOING ON, IT'S JUST, IT'S SO MUCH CRAZINESS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND IT IS MARCH. SO THE THEME OF THE MONTH IS MARCH MADNESS. YEAH, EXACTLY. SEE, YOU'RE ALL IMPRESSED. . PROPER USE OF THE THEME WOULD BE REFERENCES TO DUNKING ON SOMEONE. OKAY. OR A LAYUP OR AN AIR BALL. SO SUCH AND SO FORTH. SO I LIKE THOSE MARCH MADNESS. THANK YOU. MARCH MADNESS. OKAY. UM, I TRIED TO ASSIGN THE NEXT MONTH TO THE POWER MARKETERS LAST MONTH, BUT THEY ALL HID. SO I TOOK THE HINT. AND, UH, APRIL, THE CO-OPS HAVE AGREED TO DO MIKE WISE, LOOKED SURPRISED BY THAT , BUT, BUT BLAKE, I, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY, UH, BILL, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT THERE. AND, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS TO, TO, TO COVER THAT TODAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN MAY IS OUR MANY MEETING MONTHS AND, UH, BETH HAS AGREED THAT THE CONSUMERS WILL DO THAT. I'M NOT SURE. I AGREE. YOU, YOU DIDN'T ARGUE WITH ME , AND I'VE KNOWN YOU [00:05:01] TO SPEAK YOUR OPINIONS WHEN YOU HAVE THEM. SO I ASSUMED IT MEANT YES. ALRIGHT, UM, WITH THAT WE CAN GET STARTED. ANTITRUST IS ON THE SCREEN. COREY, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START DOING THE ANTITRUST BEFORE I DO MEETING THEMES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS, OR DO WE CARE? I JUST WANT YOU TO FOLLOW YOUR HEART. CAITLYN, I'M GONNA FOLLOW, I'M GOING TO FOLLOW MY HEART INTO SOME BASKETBALL ANALOGY THAT I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. TO AVOID RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT ANTITRUST LIABILITY, PARTICIPANTS IN NARCOTIC ACTIVITY SHOULD REFRAIN FROM PROPOSING ANY ACTION OR MEASURE THAT WOULD EXCEED NARCOTIC'S AUTHORITY UNDER FEDERAL OR STATE LAW. AND THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE. UH, FIRST AGENDA ITEM [2. Approval of TAC Meeting Minutes (Vote)] AFTER ANTITRUST OR MEETING MINUTES. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY SUGGESTED EDITS OR CORRECTIONS, BUT NED TOLD ME HE DID READ THEM. UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED. CAN WE PUT THOSE ON THE COMBO BALLOT? OKAY, LET'S DO IT. UH, NOW WE [3. Meeting Updates] ARE ON TO OUR MEETING UPDATES WHERE WE PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE BOARD AND PUC OPEN MEETINGS WHERE REVISION REQUESTS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED SINCE THE LAST MEETING. WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY, UH, REVISION REQUESTS CONSIDERED SINCE THE LAST MEETING. IS THAT RIGHT, ANN? SINCE, UH, FEBRUARY ATTACK, UH, I'LL NOTE ERCOT HAS GIVEN BATCH LOAD UPDATES TO THE COMMISSIONERS AT OPEN MEETINGS. AND THEN TOMORROW'S OPEN MEETING. WE ARE EXPECTING TO HEAR SOME DIRECTION ON THE DRS AND PRRS. AND THEN, UM, HAKA, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NEWS OR UPDATES FROM, FROM STAFF THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADD HERE. YEAH, AGAIN, I JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, IN PROJECT 5 8 7 7 7 RELIABILITY STANDARD. I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE FIVE THERE. UH, FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS MONDAY. AND, UH, STAFF WILL FILE ITS RECOMMENDATION ON APRIL 10, AND IT'LL BE TAKEN UP APRIL 17 OPEN MEETING. SO THAT'S ONE THING. THE OTHER THING IS, UH, TOMORROW'S OPEN MEETING, UH, COMMISSION WILL ALSO TAKE RIDER SIX UNDER PROJECT 5 9 2 8 1. THAT'S THE SURVEY REGARDING THE DATA CENTERS AND CRYPTO MINING, FACUL FACILITIES, WATER AND ENERGY USE. SO THERE WILL BE SOME PUBLIC, UH, SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, EXACT DAYS OF THE SURVEY. AND THEN WE ALSO OPEN THE NEW PROJECT 5 9 5 5 0. IT'S THE 25. 5 0 9 REQUIRES COMMISSION TO REVIEW OFFER CAPS EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO THAT PROJECT IS OPEN. IF YOU HAVE IDEAS FOR THE SCOPE, SCOPE, LET ME KNOW. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR COMMISSION STAFF? GO AHEAD, NED. ERICA, I JUST WANNA SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE ON THAT LAST PROJECT THE USE OF THE WORD QUIN CORNAL. THAT THAT WAS EXCELLENT CHOICE. I, I FULLY APPLAUD THE, UH, THE, ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UM, NEXT WE ARE [4. Review of Revision Request Summary/ERCOT Market Impact] ON TO REVIEW OF REVISION REQUEST SUMMARIES, ER CUT MARKET IMPACT STATEMENTS AND, UH, IMM OPINIONS. ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE FIVE REVISION REQUESTS, UH, ON THE TACK AGENDA THIS MONTH. NO, GRADE 2 81 WILL REMAIN TABLED, SO I EXCLUDE THAT ONE FROM MY COMMENTS. UM, BUT FOR REASONS FOR REVISION, ALL OF THEM DO FALL UNDER THE GENERAL SYSTEM PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS. UM, 1323 DOES HAVE A 25 TO 40 5K IMPACT, AND OBDR 55 HAS A LESS THAN 5K IMPACT. ERCOT DOES SUPPORT APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE REVISION REQUESTS AND HAS PROVIDED POSITIVE MARKET IMPACT STATEMENTS FOR ALL OF THEM. UM, NO CREDIT IMPLICATIONS FOR ANY OF THE NRR AND IMM DOES SUPPORT 1323 AND HAS NO OPINION ON THE REST OF THEM. OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS HERE? ALL RIGHT, I DON'T SEE ANY. UM, [5. PRS Report (Vote)] NEXT IS DIANA WITH THE PRS REPORT. I BELIEVE ALL OF THESE VOTING ITEMS ARE UNOPPOSED, SO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT THE WHOLE REPORT AND THEN WE WILL DO OUR VOTES. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. DIANA COLEMAN WITH CPS ENERGY WITH THE MARCH PRS UPDATE. UH, FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS FROM ERCOT 1275. THIS IS REPLACING THE DEFINITION OF FIRM FUEL SUPPLY SERVICE, UH, QUALIFYING PIPELINE WITH THE DEFINITION THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY TAC AND NPRR 1169. ON MARCH 12TH, 2025, WE VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, AND THERE WAS ONE OPPOSING VOTE. UH, AND THEN ON MARCH 11TH OF 26TH, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ENDORSE AND FORWARD TO ATTACK THE APRIL 9TH PRS REPORT AND THE FEBRUARY 25TH [00:10:01] IA. SECONDLY, WE HAVE 1313 ALSO FROM ERCO. THIS IS CHANGING THE CALCULATION OF THE INITIAL STANDBY COSTS FOR RMR RESOURCES. ON FEBRUARY 11TH, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. ON MARCH 11TH, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ENDORSE AND FORWARD ATTACK THE FEBRUARY 11TH PRS REPORT AND THE DECEMBER 16TH IA FOR 1313. AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE 1323, UM, ALSO FROM ERCOT. THIS IS REINSERTING REINSERTING PROTOCOL LANGUAGE REGARDING CAPPING OF THE REAL TIME CPCS. ON MARCH 11TH, WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO GRANT, UH, URGENCY. WE WERE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND FORWARD ATTACK THE, UH, FEBRUARY 24TH IA WITH A RECOMMENDED PRIORITY OF 2026 IN A RANK OF 4,800 WITH THE COST OF 25 TO 45,000. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON ANY OF THESE? NPRS? ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF NPR 1275 AS RECOMMENDED BY PRS IN THE MARCH 11TH PRS REPORT. RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF NPR 1313 AS RECOMMENDED BY PRS IN THE MARCH 11TH PRS REPORT. AND I RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF NPR 1323 AS RECOMMENDED BY PRS IN THE MARCH 11TH PRS REPORT. CAN WE PUT THESE ON THE CONVO BALLOT SLAM DUNK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, DIANA, ANY ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU THAT, THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW, UM, I LEARNED THAT I'VE NOT BEEN SAYING THE MAGIC WORDS. UM, WE [6. Revision Requests Tabled at TAC (Possible Vote)] ARE ONTO REVISION REQUESTS PREVIOUSLY TABLED AT T I'M GOING TO YIELD THE CHAIR TO MARTHA FOR O-B-D-R-R 55. CAN I USE THE MICROPHONE? YOU CAN MAYBE USE THE MICROPHONE. . THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. SO, NEXT ITEM ON OUR LIST IS O-B-D-R-O 55 REVISIONS TO NONS SPEND, DEPLOYMENT, AND RECALL PROCEDURE FOR RTCB. UH, WE LOOKED AT THIS BRIEFLY FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST MONTH. I KNOW WMS TOOK IT UP INFORMALLY AT THEIR LAST MEETING AND ASKED WMWG TO REVIEW IT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WAS ON THE WMWG AGENDA THIS PAST MONDAY, SO TWO DAYS AGO. AND SINCE THE OBDR WAS ORIGINALLY FILED THERE, THERE WERE SOME ERCOT COMMENTS ALSO FILED ON THREE 11 TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAD BEEN, UH, RAISED AT THE VARIOUS MEETINGS. SO WE CAN EITHER HEAR FROM BLAKE OR W WG LEADERSHIP ON KIND OF WHERE THOSE LAST DISCUSSIONS STOOD, OR HAVE ERCOT REVIEW THOSE COMMENTS. UM, FINE. EITHER WAY, I GUESS I MIGHT ACTUALLY SEE IF, LUIS, THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANNA, UH, ADD HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS YOU JUST FILED AND THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED ON MONDAY. SURE. THANK YOU. THIS IS LISA JOSEA WITH ERCOT. UM, SO YES, WE DID TAKE O-B-D-R-R TO WMS AND WMWG, UM, AND WE DID DISCUSS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD RECENTLY RECEIVED FROM THE MARKET, UH, REGARDING THE CALCULATIONS THAT WERE IN THE O-B-D-R-R. AND ADDITIONALLY, A, THEY A REQUEST TO MAKE, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY IN THE CALCULATIONS TO HELP THE STAKEHOLDERS UNDERSTAND HOW THE, UH, TRIGGER IS FULLY CALCULATED. UH, SO WE DID GO AND SUBMIT COMMENTS ON MARCH 11TH TO SUPPORT BOTH OF THOSE DECISIONS. AND, UM, THAT WAS AT WMS. WE ADDITIONALLY, UH, AFTER WE SUBMITTED COMMENTS, TOOK IT TO WWG PROVIDED THE UPDATE, AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK SINCE THEN. UM, UH, AND THEN WE'RE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL VOTE. OKAY, THANKS, LUIS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ERCOT ABOUT THE COMMENTS THEY FILED LAST WEEK? CAITLIN, CAN I BE EXTREMELY ANNOYING? UM, LUIS, CAN WE, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN PULL UP THE PRESENTATION FROM WMWG? UM, SURE. UM, THIS IS MY FAULT, THIS IS THE BALL. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THE WMWG DID NOT HAVE THE FULL DETAILS AS WMS DID. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. I AM LOOKING AT, UH, SLIDE THREE FROM THE WMWG PRESENTATION. OKAY. YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN FOR US THE, THE, THE GRAPH THERE. SURE. SO THIS WAS USING AN EXAMPLE [00:15:01] OF JANUARY 28TH, 2026. UM, THERE ARE THREE TRENDS HERE. ONE IS THE TRIGGER THAT IS CURRENTLY USED AS OF RTC GO LIVE, UH, WHICH IS THE BLUISH PURPLE COLOR. AND THE PROPOSED TRIGGER IS THE, WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THE OBDR, IS IT INCLUDING THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM MARKET. UH, SO THIS IS INDICATING 2, 2, 2 THINGS. ONE, THE TRIGGER THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR AS PLAN EITHER OVER PROCUREMENT OR SHORTAGES IN THE AS PLAN. AND THAT IS WHY YOU SEE THAT THE BLUE TRIGGER NEVER HITS THE RED DOTTED ZERO LINE. THE DEPLOYMENT LINE GREEN IS NOW INDICATING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DEPLOYED, UH, OFFLINE NON SPIN AROUND 6:00 AM. UH, ON THIS DAY, WE'D ACTUALLY DEPLOYED AROUND 7:00 AM OPERATORS USED OTHER SITUATIONAL AWARENESS TOOLS AND DISPLAYS TO DETERMINE THAT THEY NEEDED THE OFFLINE DEPLOYMENT. SO GREEN IS JUST SHOWING WITH THE ENHANCEMENTS THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING TO THE TRIGGER, UH, AS WE'VE REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED AT MULTIPLE MEETINGS, UH, THIS NOW SHOWS THAT, UH, IT BEING AS AWARE AND ENERGY AWARE THAT THE SYSTEM NEEDED THE OFFLINE DEPLOYMENT TO, TO GET THROUGH THE EVENT. OKAY. AND THE LAST TREND I DIDN'T MENTION WAS STATE OF CHARGE. THE REASON STATE OF CHARGE IS UP THERE IS SHOWING THAT BECAUSE WE ARE ENERGY AWARE IN THIS DAY, UH, WE DID GET DOWN TO 10% OF ENERGY LEFT ON THE SYSTEM ON BATTERIES. UH, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE ENHANCEMENT TO INCLUDE ENERGY AWARENESS IN THIS. OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT LATE WITH COMMENTS. UM, I, YOU KNOW, THANKS TO ERCOT, I'VE TALKED TO TIKA AND LUIS ABOUT THIS, AND YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB EXPLAINING TO THE WORKING GROUPS. I AM GOING TO ABSTAIN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT'S STILL A CONSERVATIVE TRIGGER. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONSERVATIVE OPERATIONS, SO I'M NOT GONNA VOTE NO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THINK THIS IS SORT OF RTC SHOULD INTRODUCE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND, AND WE THINK THINGS LIKE THIS, UM, BASED ON SOC, KIND OF NEGATE THAT, THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT WE COULD REALIZE FROM RTC. BUT I APPRECIATE, UM, ALL, ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE ON THIS BILL. THANK YOU. KINDA RELATED TOPIC, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UM, TAC MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS WERE AWARE THAT, UH, RELIANT FILED, UH, NPR 1326 TO ADD, UH, ERCOT SYSTEM AGGREGATE STATE OF CHARGE TO THE ANCILLARY SERVICE CAPACITY MONITOR SO THAT WE ALL CAN BE SOC AWARE, UM, IF T'S GONNA BE USING THIS INFORMATION MORE FOR A S DEPLOYMENTS, WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE MARKET, UH, TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT INFORMATION AS WELL ON AN AGGREGATE BASIS. SO IT'S NOT DISCLOSING ANY ESR SPECIFIC INFORMATION. SO BE AWARE THAT WE'LL BE COMING TO, UM, A STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE NEAR YOU SOON. THANKS. THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT THERE. AND WE'LL GO BACK TO KAITLYN. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO BILL AND I, I WON'T BE LATE TO THAT PARTY. I DON'T HAVE A BASKETBALL ANALOGY EITHER. I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH HIM ON THAT. UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, ERCOT EFFORT HERE AND, AND BILL COORDINATING WITH THAT. AND, UM, WE COMMIT TO WORKING WITH HIM ON THAT. ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FOR ERCOT ABOUT THE O-B-D-R-R AT THIS POINT? IS ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT WITH THE ERCOT THREE 11 COMMENTS SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON THIS TODAY? I THANK YOU BLAKE. BLAKE WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF OBDR 55 WITH THE ERCOT THREE 11 COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU, MIKE WISE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE WE VOTE? OKAY. COREY, TAKE IT AWAY. WE'LL DO, I'LL J FOR, CAN WE JUST PUT IT ON THE, WELL, NO, WE NEED TO VOTE TROUBLE. KAITLIN INDICATED SHE WANTED TO ABSTAIN, UM, STEP BEHIND, BUT I DON'T HAVE, SHE'S ALWAYS FLYING THE OINTMENT. UM, JUST TO, FOR COMPLETENESS SAKE, UM, THIS WAS MENTIONED ON S SLIDE. THE IA FOR OBDR 55 IS LESS THAN 5K, O, AND M, UH, CHANGED TO EMS. SO THE OFFICIAL MOTION INCLUDES THE MARCH 11TH COMMENTS AND THE FEBRUARY 17TH, LESS THAN 5K, O AND M IA. AND ON THAT VOTE, WE WILL BEGIN UP WITH THE CONSUMERS, WITH MARK DREYFUS. UH, YES, THANK YOU. AND THEN MARK FOR NICK? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIKE REED. YES. THANK YOU, UH, BRETT FOR GARRETT. YES, THANK YOU, BETH. YES, THANK YOU WILL. YES, THANKS SIR. ONTO OUR CO-OPS, BLAKE? YES. THANK YOU, KYLE. YES, [00:20:01] THANK YOU, MIKE WISE. YES, THANK YOU, SIR. UH, LUCAS, FOR JOHN? YES. THANK YOU. ONTO OUR INDEPENDENT GENERATORS. NED? YES. THANKS COREY. THANKS, SIR. UH, BRIAN SAMS, IN THE WORDS OF DICK VITAL, UH, DIPSEY DEW. DUNKER RU LIVING IT UP IN JAM CITY, BABY, WHICH IS, UH, A YES. THANK YOU, SIR BOB HILTON. UH, AFTER THAT I'D GET NOTHING BUT NET FOR TRYING TO SAY ANYTHING. . ALRIGHT. YES, SIR. THANKS, SIR. CAITLIN ABSTAIN. THANK YOU. ONTO IPMS. IAN? YES. THANK YOU, COREY. THANK YOU, UH, SHANE FOR REMI? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND THEN SHANE FOR SETH. YES. AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN, UH, AMANDA, FOR JEREMY. YES, THANK YOU. ONTO OUR IRES, UH, BILL, YOU WANNA SHOOT YOUR THREE POINTER? I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BROAD PARTICIPATION IN THE THEME OF THE MONTH. THANK YOU ALL. I'M, I'M A YES, YES, AND YES. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, JAY, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A THREE POINTER . I'M A YES AS WELL. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY, PLEASE WATCH THE REPLAY AND SAW THAT. SEE THAT I SAID THREE POINTER AND NOBODY, NOBODY LAUGHED AT MINE. I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HURT. UH, LET'S GO TO IOU IS MARTHA. YES. WE CAN GO TO INSTANT REPLAY, UH, EBY. YES. THANK YOU. AARON. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ROB, FOR KEITH? YES. THANK YOU. ONTO THE MUNIS. DAVID? YES. THANK YOU, ALICIA. YES. THANK YOU, JOSE. YES. THANK YOU. AND CURTIS? YES. THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES UNOPPOSED. ONE ABSTENTION. THANK Y'ALL. OKAY, SUSIE, ARE THERE MAGIC WORDS TO GET THE CHAIR BACK? UNY IT. CAN YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE A TRIP, ? OKAY, I'M BACK. OKAY. UM, WE ARE STILL ON REVISION REQUEST. PREVIOUSLY, UH, TABLED ATTACK, NO, GER 2 81 CAN STAY TABLED AWAITING NPR 1307. WE ARE NOW [7. TAC Priority Items (Part 1 of 2)] ON TO OUR TECH PRIORITY ITEMS. UM, WE ARE JUST SORT OF KEEPING TABS ON EVERYTHING WE SAID WE WOULD DO FOR JUNE. UM, THIS INCLUDES BOARD PRIORITY ITEMS, UH, THINGS THAT THE, THE PUC WANTED TO BE A PRIORITY, AND THINGS THAT WERE, WANTS TO BE A PRIORITY. SO THE FIRST THREE ITEMS ARE KEITH, AND LET'S START WITH, UH, DRRS. UH, DRS. UH, WE DO HAVE OUR UPCOMING WORKSHOP ON APRIL 10TH. UH, AND SO THERE'S, UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE DISCUSSION AT THE OPEN MEETING THAT'S, THAT HAPPENED TOMORROW, UH, FOR THE, THE STAFF MEMO. WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE COMMISSION, UH, COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY AND WHAT KIND OF GUIDANCE THAT MAY PROVIDE, UH, FOR THE DISCUSSION THAT WE INTEND TO HAVE ON 1309 AT THE, AT THE APRIL, APRIL 10TH MEETING. I THINK THE OTHER PART, UH, THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE LAST WORKSHOP WAS THE SERVICE DEMAND CURVES. UH, WE'VE BEEN COLLABORATING WITH THE IMM, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT, UH, UH, THE COLLABORATION GOES ONLY SO FAR, UH, WHAT WE'LL SEE. BUT I DO THINK THAT, AT LEAST FROM ERCOT PERSPECTIVE, WE DO THINK THAT WE'D HAVE, UH, ASCS AVAILABLE FOR DISCUSSION, UH, AT THE APRIL 10TH MEETING. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT THAT GOES. BUT, UH, I, WE EXPECT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, UM, SOME, SOME GOOD DISCUSSION FOR THAT WORKSHOP. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THAT ONE? GO AHEAD, BOB. I'M JUST MESSING WITH KEITH . THANKS, BOB. THAT'S A FOUL. ALL RIGHT. UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, NPR 1315. THERE IS A WORKSHOP FOR THIS FRIDAY. UH, IT'LL BE HERE AT, AT THE MET. UH, WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED, UH, FOR, UH, THE NPR. WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS, UH, FROM, FROM A, FROM A HANDFUL OF FOLKS. OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS THOSE COMMENTS, UH, AT, AT THAT TIME AT THE WORKSHOP. AND WE DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I WILL NOTE THAT IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THINGS IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE SOME, SOME THOUGHTS, UH, ON, ON THAT IN, IN ADVANCE OF THE DISCUSSION. SO WE DO LOOK FORWARD TO A, A FRUITFUL DISCUSSION, UH, ON FRIDAY. UH, AND THEN, UH, THE FINAL ITEM IS TO DISCUSS, UH, ERS ENHANCEMENTS. [00:25:01] I DID TALK ABOUT THIS AT, AT THE LAST MEETING. I THINK, UH, THIS TIME, UH, WE WANNA TAKE A TIME OUT AND, UH, WAIT FOR THE CRA REPORT THAT, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH THEM, UH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON. BUT WE'VE BEEN, UH, ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS. UH, THAT REPORT IS, IS PRESENTLY IN A DRAFT FORM, BUT, UH, IS EXPECTED AND, UH, FULLY EXPECTED TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE, UH, THE APRIL BOARD MEETING, UH, AS AS WE INTENDED. AND SO WE DEFINITELY WANNA WAIT TILL, TILL THAT COMES OUT. UH, THEY DO TOUCH ON ERS, NOT SURPRISINGLY, AND, AND, UH, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL, UH, GIVEN SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THAT. UH, THE ONLY OTHER POINT WITH REGARDS TO ERS, I THINK WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT A LOCATIONAL ASPECT TO THAT, POTENTIALLY. I THINK THAT ONE, UH, WE, UH, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT ONE SITTING ON THE BENCH, UH, AND, UH, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITHOUT THAT AT THIS TIME. ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE THREE ITEMS THAT I HAVE, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT, THAT FOLKS MAY HAVE. SO WHAT, ON THE ERS, YOU JUST SAID, THE LOCATIONAL ASPECT WON'T BE PART OF CORRECT. WEVE JUST, WE'VE DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE THAT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT WILL BE PART OF IT? SO THE, THE ERS DISCUSSION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, THERE'S THE, THE SELF, THERE'S THE, UH, UH, PRE-DEPLOYMENT, THE PRICE, UH, PRICE RESPONSIVENESS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE ARE STILL CONSIDERING, UM, UH, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY. I KNOW MARK AND HIS TEAM ARE, ARE EVALUATING WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, AS WE SPEAK. AND SO, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DO PLAN TO, TO DISCUSS, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE WAITING ON THE, THE, THE REPORT, WHICH WILL BE OUT IN, IN THE COMING WEEKS. OKAY. CHRISTIE, WHICH OF MARK'S OR KEY ITEMS IS YOUR QUESTION ON? UM, IT'S A SUMMARY OF ALL. OKAY. OR EXTREMELY AT ALL. GO AHEAD. SO I'D GO AHEAD, LIKE TO GO AND REPLAY, UH, KEITH'S NOTES WHERE HE SAYS, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN PREPARE FOR FRUITFUL DISCUSSION. AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, AND I WOULD JUST STRONGLY ENCOURAGE ERCOT TO TAKE THOSE OWN WORDS OF THEIR ADVICE IT TO HEART. UM, WITH ALL OF THE MEETINGS AND THEIR HEAVY MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD LATELY, ALL OF THE BATCH, THE C FOUR CS, ALL THESE OTHER WORKSHOPS THAT ARE HUGE PRIORITY ITEMS FOR ERCOT AND STAKEHOLDERS, TO HAVE INFORMATION COMING OUT FROM ERCOT, THE BEGINNING OF, OR MIDNIGHT THE NIGHT BEFORE A MEETING IS NOT HELPFUL. UM, I MEAN, HAVING ANY MATERIALS OBVIOUSLY IS HELPFUL, BUT, BUT WE TOO, UM, FOLKS WHO WATCH THIS MARKET, UM, STAKEHOLDERS IN THE MARKET REALLY NEED INFORMATION IN ADVANCE. SO AS MUCH AS IT HELPS ERCOT TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN ADVANCE, IT ALSO HELPS STAKEHOLDERS IN ORDER TO HAVE FRUITFUL DISCUSSIONS. I GET THAT WE'RE ON SUPER TIGHT TIMELINES, BUT THESE ARE ERCOT TIMELINES. AND SO I WOULD JUST STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, TO START, UM, MAKING, UH, STRONGER EFFORTS TO GET INFORMATION OUT FARTHER IN ADVANCE. THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, WE'LL NOTE THAT, AND, UH, I'LL MAKE SURE I TALK TO THE TEAM ABOUT THAT. THANKS. THANKS, CHRISTIE. MARK. THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, KEITH, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, UM, THE ERS STUDY BEING CONDUCTED BY CRA WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE APRIL BOARD MEETING. CAN YOU KINDA WALK ME THROUGH THE TIMELINE FOR RECEIPT AND REVIEW OF THAT STUDY AND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE PROCESSED? SO, UH, OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THAT MATERIAL AVAILABLE WITH THE BOARD MATERIAL, WHICH IS, IS POSTED A WEEK IN ADVANCE OF THE BOARD MEETING. AND SO IT WILL BE A PART OF THE SET OF MATERIAL THAT'S PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. AND SO THAT WILL BE, UH, ROUGHLY AROUND THE 10TH OR SO, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT MATERIAL WOULD BE AVAILABLE. UM, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE, BUT THERE'LL BE A, A WEEK BEFORE THE, THE BOARD MEETING THAT MATERIAL WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE. WOULD, WOULD YOU REMIND US OF THE, THE FULL SCOPE OF THE CRA STUDY? SO THE, THE, THE SCOPE OF THIS STUDY IS TO EVALUATE THE, TO, TO PERFORM A, A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF ALL THE DIFFERENT DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAMS THAT ARE EITHER OPERATED, UH, BY ERCOT OR, UM, INTERACT WITH THE ERCOT MARKET, UH, TO DO AN EVALUATION OF, UH, OF THOSE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS TO CONSIDER, UH, WHAT ARE SOME LESSONS LEARNED THAT SOME OF THE OTHER REGIONAL MARKETS AND THEIR DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAMS AND [00:30:01] WHAT, HOW COULD WE POTENTIALLY, UH, LEARN FROM SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS IN SOME CASES. AND IN SOME CASES, THE, THE, IT'S HARD TO, TO MAKE THE CONNECTION, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE CONNECTIONS TO BE MADE, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CONNECTION. AND THEN FINALLY, TO, TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INDEPENDENT RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, POTENTIAL ENHANCEMENTS OR IMPROVEMENTS. AND, AND WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING TO GET BACK FROM THE BOARD ON THE APRIL 1ST DISCUSSION OR THE APRIL DISCUSSION. SO I THINK WHEN WE THINK OF, UH, THERE, THERE'S SORT OF A HIGH LEVEL CONSIDERATION HERE, WHICH IS WHEN WE THINK OF, UM, THE, THE CHANGES IN OUR SYSTEM, PARTICULARLY THE INTEGRATION OF, OF MORE LOADS, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHERE WE MAY BE, AND WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS WITH OUR, UH, RELIABILITY STANDARD ASSESSMENT, BUT DEMAND RESPONSE IS A RESOURCE AS A PART OF THAT SET. AND WHAT, WHAT STRATEGICALLY WE CAN THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF DEMAND RESPONSE AND HELPING US ADDRESS, UM, ADDRESS FUTURE NEEDS. NOW, ULTIMATELY, WE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AT THIS MEETING. UM, BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE SETTING UP SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS FOR SOME FUTURE DISCUSSIONS ON, ON THIS AS A RESOURCE. WELL, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, IT IS MY LONG STANDING POSITION THAT WE ARE THE TECHNICAL ADVISORS TO THE BOARD, AND IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO BRING THINGS LIKE THAT HERE FIRST, RATHER THAN TO BRING THEM TO THE BOARD AND THEN HAVE THE BOARD DIRECT THEM BACK DOWN. BUT YOU'LL DO WHAT YOU DO. THANK YOU. THANKS, MARK. NED. UM, JUST SINCE WE WON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, GENERAL FEEDBACK THAT I'D LIKE TO OFFER IS THAT DEMAND RESPONSE THAT IS RESPONDING TO THE SAME MARKET SIGNALS THAT RESOURCES, OTHER RESOURCES IN THE MARKET ARE RESPONDING TO, ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE THE MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IN THE MARKET STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE STUDY OR NOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE, THE PRINCIPLES THAT I WOULD JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT AND, AND WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IF THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF, IF, IF IT IS A REASON, BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT. THANKS. I'M HAPPY TO TALK OFFLINE. THANKS, MIKE. YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA TRY TO PLAY REFEREE AND CALL A TECHNICAL FOUL, UH, ACTUALLY SPOKE EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS I REALLY THINK THIS SHOULD GO TO THE, COME BEFORE US FIRST. AND, UH, I'D SURE LIKE TO HAVE A REVIEW OF IT HERE AT THIS COMMITTEE OR AT THIS, UH, THIS, UH, FORUM. UH, AS I THINK THE BOARD COULD REALLY APPRECIATE OUR INTELLECTUAL VIEW AND REVIEW OF THIS INFORMATION, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, CRA AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, BRATTLE, UH, GROUPS, UH, MANY TIMES WHEN THEY COME OUT WITH A REPORT, IT NEEDS TO BE FILTERED AND SEND A REPORT UNFILTERED TO THE BOARD TO ME, COULD SET US BACK. AND, UH, I HATE DOING THAT. SO I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE IT HERE AT TACK BEFORE IT WENT TO THE BOARD. BUT IT, AS I SAID, I GUESS IT'S TOO LATE, BUT, UH, IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE, IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD. SO THAT'S MY, MY INPUT, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CHEAP SEATS. THANKS, MIKE. IAN, UM, NO SURPRISE, I'M GONNA AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID. UM, HISTORICALLY OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS OF DOING THIS, WE'VE GENERALLY, UM, TAKEN TECHNICAL IDEAS FROM THE GROUND UP, UM, AND BROUGHT THEM TO A COHERENT THOUGHT BEFORE TAKING 'EM, UH, BOTH TO TAC AND THE BOARD. UM, SO AGAIN, LIKE MY, MY COAC MEMBERS BELIEVE TAC IS A GREAT PLACE TO, UM, DEVELOP THOUGHTS BEFORE TAKING 'EM TO THE BOARD. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE, UM, I JUST NEED TO SAY ON DR. IS, HEY, UM, HELLO. LEAVE IT. LEAVE IT. YOU ARE. OKAY. UM, THE OTHER THING I HAVE SAY ON DR IS, IF DR DOES NOT WORK WITH MARKET FORCES, UH, YOU ARE CREATING A LARGER PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD THAN WE HAVE NOW. EVERY TIME WE TAKE OUTTA MARKET ACTIVITIES AND, UM, A ROAD PRICE FORMATION, THOSE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD. I, I DO WANNA JUST, JUST A QUICK RESPONSE HERE. I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION AND A TACTICAL DISCUSSION. AND I THINK SOME OF THE COMMENTS ARE MORE TACTICAL THAN STRATEGIC [00:35:01] FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. BECAUSE, BECAUSE I, AND, AND, AND TO USE IAN, YOUR EXAMPLE IS THE, THE HIGHER LEVEL QUESTION IS, IS DR EVEN USEFUL AT ALL? RIGHT? AND THEN IF YOU SAY, YES, WE THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT, THEN I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, OKAY, BUT THIS IS HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO INCORPORATE IT IN, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A LEVEL OF TACTICS VERSUS STRATEGY. I THINK THOUGH, THAT WITHOUT A CONVERSATION THAT THAT ALLOWS STAKEHOLDERS TO ROUND OUT THAT CONVERSATION, UM, THAT CONVERSATION COULD BE PRESENTED AT THE BOARD, UM, ONE SIDED OR WITHOUT FULL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO FULLY UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO DECIDE ON. SO THERE COULD BE A DISCUSSION ON, IS DR A GOOD IDEA? AND THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED, THE BOARD SAYS, YES, MOVE QUICKLY. UM, BUT IF THE PRESENTATION WAS, UH, IS DR DONE CORRECTLY, IS DR NEEDED, UM, WITH A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE STAKEHOLDER BODY SENDING THOSE IDEAS UP? IT COULD BE YES, BUT WE CANNOT DO IT UNTIL WE CAN DO IT RIGHT. AND I JUST THINK WE'RE GETTING TOLD TO DO A LOT OF THINGS VERY FAST BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT FULLY BAKED WHEN THEY GO, OR NOT FULLY PRESENTED WHEN THEY GO TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANKS KEITH. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SORT OF OUTLINE YOUR PLAN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL? SO YOU'RE GOING, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STUDY YET. YOU'LL GET THE STUDY, YOU'LL TAKE IT TO THE BOARD, ASK THE BOARD FOR DIRECTION ON A-N-P-R-R OR SOMETHING THAT GOES BACK THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE ASKING THEM TO TAKE ANY SPECIFIC NPR ACTION AS A RESULT OF THAT. SO YOU'RE JUST SHOWING THE STUDY TO SHOW THE STUDY THIS, THIS IS A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION WE WILL HAVE AT THE BOARD IN AN OPEN FORM WITH, WITH NO REQUEST PLANNED SO FAR? YES. THERE IS NO SPECIFIC REQUEST THAT WILL COME FROM THE BOARD AS A RESULT OF THIS SPECIFICALLY. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOME E EITHER ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY ON, UM, LET'S SAY A, A 1296 OR AN ERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE NOT EXPLICITLY REQUESTING THAT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND THE STUDY WOULD BE COMPLETE BEFORE THE APRIL BOARD AND POSTED A WEEK AHEAD WITH THE REST OF THE MATERIALS OR SOMETHING? CORRECT. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. LET'S GO TO NED. KEITH, CAN YOU HELP REMIND ME, WAS THE STUDY SCOPE OF THAT WAS GIVEN TO CRA, UH, WAS THAT, IS THAT POSTED SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN REVIEW THAT, AT LEAST THAT THAT'LL HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN WE SEE THAT STUDY COMING OUT? AND, AND THEN PROBABLY HELPS INFORM SOME OF THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE HEARING TODAY ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ANTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, EITHER PUTTING IN COMMENTS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE BOARD ABOUT, OR, OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT DURING THAT PERIOD. 'CAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S, THERE'S SOME STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT HOW IT, YOU KNOW, DEMAND RESPONSE IS INTEGRATED INTO THE MARKET. YEAH. AND WHETHER IT IS TRULY INTEGRATED OR WHETHER IT'S AN OUT OF MARKET ACTION THAT'S INTERFERING WITH THE MARKET AND MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S A FAIRLY, A VERY UNDERSTANDABLE CONCERN FOR STAKEHOLDERS TO HAVE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS REPRESENTED. AND I THINK THAT'S IN PART BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DR PROPOSAL WHEN, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT ORIGINATED WITH THE BOARD AND THEN CAME TO STAKEHOLDERS. AND WE'RE STILL GRAPPLING WITH THAT. UM, TO PUT IT SUCCINCTLY, SO I THINK YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS, IS THE SCOPE POSTED SOMEWHERE? AND I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND MARK'S SORT OF NOT SURE EITHER. I DON'T THINK RECALLS, I DON'T RECALL. OKAY. YEAH, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM SHARING THE SCOPE OF THAT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT THAT'LL SHAPE THE REPORT THAT YOU'LL SEE ANYWAY. SO I THINK WE CAN TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO, TO SHARE THAT, TO SHARE THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND, AND APPRECIATED. YEP. THANKS. THANK YOU, BETH. YEP. MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS, UH, PRETTY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU ASKED CAITLYN, BUT I'LL, I'LL TAKE IT FURTHER AND, AND JUST LET ME SHARE MY VISION AND I'D LIKE YOUR REACTION TO MY VISION, KEITH, LEMME SAY THAT. SURE. UM, MY VISION IS, YOU'RE GONNA COME TO THE BOARD, YOU'RE GONNA SAY, HEY, WE DID THIS STUDY AND HERE'S WHAT IT SAYS. AND THEN, AND THE BOARD WILL SAY, ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY ACTION? NO. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM. UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, FURTHER , WHAT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE POINT? YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU MAY NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUEST IN MIND THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DIRECT OR ASK TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT, BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE [00:40:01] SOME REASON OR SOME EXPECTATION OF, OF SOME KIND OF DIRECTION OR SOME SORT OF INPUT THAT YOU'RE EXPECTING FROM THE BOARD. AND IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH US, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO, SO, AND, AND THAT'S WHY I KEPT USING THE, THE WORDS STRATEGIC AND, AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT STEP, STEP BACK AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE RESOURCE, UM, CHALLENGES, PARTICULARLY WITH LOAD GROWTH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CHALLENGES POTENTIALLY RELATED TO THE RELIABILITY STANDARD ASSESSMENT, UM, THE, THE VIEW OF THE IMPORTANCE OF AN ALL OF THE ABOVE STRATEGY, STRATEGY, NOT TACTICS, BUT STRATEGY IN ADDRESSING THE NEEDS AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE SYSTEM IS IMPORTANT. AND SO I THINK WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD MAY LOOK LIKE, SORT OF AN EMPHASIS OF THAT AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW DEMAND RESPONSE IS A PART OF THAT, AND THAT EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR FURTHER ENHANCEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, DESIRABLE FOR MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STRATEGIC NEEDS OF, UH, OF THE NEED OF, OF THE REPORT AND, AND WHERE THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER THIS AS, AS AN IMPORTANT OPTION, UM, FOR MOVING FORWARD. ARE WE GOOD? OKAY, BILL, THANKS. KEITH. BILL'S STILL ON THE QUEUE? I JUST WAS MAKING SURE BETH WAS GOOD. OKAY. LET'S GO TO BILL ON THIS ONE. OKAY. , UH, THANKS KEITH. UM, WE HAVE, UM, CONTINUALLY PROVIDING AN ASSIST TO ERCOT ON THE DEMAND RESPONSE PIECE. WE THINK IT'S THE, THE EFFORT HERE IS KINDA LONG OVERDUE TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE DAM DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAMS AND IDENTIFY WHERE, WHERE THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES AND WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE AND GET MORE PARTICIPATION. OBVIOUSLY, WE THINK THE RESIDENTIAL DEMAND RESPONSE SPACE IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY THAT NEEDS ATTENTION. UH, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE REPORT. UM, I'M CURIOUS IF THE REPORT WILL ALSO COVER LARGE LOAD DEMAND REDUCTION, WHICH I WE'RE AWARE THAT ERCOT IS IMPLEMENTING SOME TYPE OF, UH, LARGE LOAD CURTAILMENT TOOL OR SYSTEM. WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE STUDY THAT, THAT THE SPEC? SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SENSE THAT THERE'S THE UNIVERSE, RIGHT? AND THAT IS A PART OF THE UNIVERSE, BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS GET AHEAD OF THE COMMISSION, RIGHT? AND SO WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT IS A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, BUT THE REPORT DOESN'T GO INTO, HEY, HERE'S THE SPECIFICS ON HOW YOU NEED TO DO IT. IT'S, IT JUST ACKNOWLEDGES THAT HERE IS A PIECE THAT CAN BE A PART OF THAT SOLUTION. THANKS, ERIC. ERIC GOFF ON BEHALF OF GOFF POLICY, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN STRATEGY AND TACTICS, IS THAT HOW YOU DETERMINE WHAT YOU BRING TO TAC AS IF IT'S STRATEGIC OR TACTICAL? OR IS IT A BASKETBALL REFERENCE? WELL, I'M, I, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT JUST DRIBBLING THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD, BUT , UM, NOT NECESSARILY. UM, BUT I, I DO THINK IN THIS CASE, THIS IS A VERY STRATEGIC POINT, AND I THINK A LOT OF THE, THE POINTS HAVE BEEN RAISED ARE, ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE TACTICAL. SO WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION? I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINC THE MEANING OF THE WORDS, BUT, UM, WHEN PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WANT TO OFFER THEIR THOUGHTS ABOUT, UM, DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAMS, HOW IS THAT NOT STRATEGIC AND HOW IS IT TACTICAL? AND ALSO WHY DOES IT MATTER ABOUT WHETHER STRATEGIC OR TACTICAL IN TERMS OF WHETHER YOU PRESENT IT TO TAC? I THINK IN THIS CASE, THE ASK, AND THIS GETS TO, I THINK BETH'S QUESTION IS THE ASK IS NOT A TACTICAL NECESSARILY, RIGHT? IS WE'RE NOT ASKING THE BOARD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FROM, AND, AND MAYBE GETTING TO NED'S POINT OF, OKAY, UM, SHOULD WE HAVE A DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM THAT IS DESIGNED IN A PARTICULAR WAY TO IMPACT PRICES IN A CERTAIN WAY OR NOT? MM-HMM . THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION TO THE BOARD. THAT IS, THAT IS A VERY TECHNICAL QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ASSESSED THROUGHOUT THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. THAT THAT, THAT SEEMS TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. AND WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT IN THE VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING, BUT THIS DISCUSSION IS, IS AN EVALUATION OF THE RANGE OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY EXIST MM-HMM . UM, [00:45:01] TO ADDRESS CHALLENGES, AND IS DOES THE BOARD FIND THAT SOMETHING IMPORTANT OR NOT? SO THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO AZTEC. I'M SORRY TO DIG IN ON THIS, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, UM, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION THAT THAT IS COMING UP IS, IS IT REQUIRED? AH, WELL, THAT GETS THE HEART OF THE MATTER BECAUSE WHAT MAKES THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS WORK IS WHEN WE COLLABORATE, EVEN IF IT'S NOT REQUIRED. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE VOTING ON AN RPG, UH, REPORT LATER TODAY WHERE, UM, WE, THE ONLY VOTE THAT MATTERS IS THE BOARD. UM, AND, UM, WE OFFER ADVICE THAT'S THE, THE ROLE OF TAC UM, I THINK ON ALL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE ERCOT MARKETS AND IN SOME CASES THE OPERATIONS OF ERCOT. UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN, MAYBE THE ANSWER IS IT'S A TIMING ISSUE. THE REPORT WAS AVAILABLE TO BE GIVEN TO THE ERCOT BOARD, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO THEM FIRST, GIVEN THAT WE ANTICIPATED IT WOULD BE DONE IN JANUARY. UM, BUT, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I'D MUCH RATHER HEAR THAT THAN TRYING TO DRAW DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN STRATEGIC AND TACTICAL THAT COULD SET A TONE FOR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN ERCOT STAFF AND ERCOT STAKEHOLDERS THAT I'D RATHER NOT CREATE THESE DISTINCTIONS HERE. HERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. BOB? YEAH. WAS GONNA BE QUIET. UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY. UH, WHERE, WHAT HIT ME WAS WHEN YOU SAID THE WORDS IS IT REQUIRED THAT, THAT RUBBED ME . 'CAUSE WHAT THAT DOES, WHEN YOU GO OFF OF THAT KIND OF KIND OF MINDSET AND STRATEGY GOING FORWARD, YOU'RE SAYING, I'M NOT GONNA BRING ANYTHING HERE UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT SETS UP A SCENARIO TO WHERE WE HAVE AN ADVERSE SITUATION THAT DEVELOPS INTO THE FUTURE, A LACK OF TRUST THAT DEVELOPS OVER THE FUTURE. AND WE END UP FIGHTING ALL THIS STUFF OUT, EITHER OVER AT THE BOARD THROUGH COMMENTS, OR WE FIGHT 'EM OVER, OVER AT THE COMMISSION. AND THAT'S NOT WHERE WE WANNA BE. AND I, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S NOT WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED AT THAT, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT THAT I HOPE THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA BE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S NECESSARY, REQUIRED OR NOT TO GET TO THE RIGHT ANSWERS, IT'S GONNA BE THE BENEFIT OF THIS MARKET AND TO THE CONSUMERS THAT BETH REPRESENTS. I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX NOW. GO AHEAD, MARK. I'M THINKING ABOUT SAYING SOMETHING MYSELF, BUT GO AHEAD, MARK. THANK YOU CHAIR. I, I THINK THERE'S A BIG PICTURE QUESTION HERE AND, AND MY TEAMMATE NED BROUGHT THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. AND THE BIG PICTURE QUESTION IS, CAN WE MEET THE RELIABILITY AND ADEQUACY OBJECTIVES OF THE INTERCONNECT BY INCORPORATING DEMAND RESPONSE IN ITS MANY FACETS INTO OUR MARKETS? THAT IS A STRATEGIC QUESTION THAT IS RIPE TO BE DISCUSSED BY THIS GROUP IN ITS COLLABORATION WITH ERCOT. AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT NOBODY IS IN A BETTER POSITION THAN THIS GROUP IN ITS COLLABORATION WITH ERCOT TO DISCUSS THAT STRATEGIC QUESTION. THE BOARD IS NOT IN A POSITION TO DISCUSS THAT STRATEGIC QUESTION. AND IF THE, THE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION IS BETWEEN THE BOARD AND ERCOT STAFF, WE'LL NOT GET THE BEST OUTCOME. I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT RECENTLY IN THE RESIDENTIAL DEMAND RESPONSE PROGRAM, WHERE A APOLOGIES TO TRIPLE THREAT BILL, UM, THAT, THAT THAT DID NOT COME OUT THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE COME OUT. SO, UH, IF YOU'VE WATCHED THESE MEETINGS FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, YOU'VE SEEN THAT I HAD BEEN VERY ATTENTIVE TO A COUPLE OF LITTLE SLIGHTS TO THE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS, AND I'M ON ALERT FOR THAT. I THINK I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY MORE OF THOSE SLIGHTS, AND I DUNNO, I, I THINK WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING STRATEGIC ISSUES. THANK YOU. OKAY, GO AHEAD, IAN. THANKS. UM, ONE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS, AS I LOOK AT THE PROBLEM FACING ERCOT OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO 10 YEARS, IT IS THE MISMATCH OF DESIRED LOAD AND, UH, PROMISE GENERATION. UM, AND HAVING SAT FORMALLY IN [00:50:01] A, IN A SHOP THAT BUILT GENERATION REGULATORY RISK IS A BIG DISCOUNT FACTOR IN THAT. AND HISTORICALLY, THE ERCOT STAKEHOLDER PROCESS IN TEXAS'S VIEW OF BEING OPEN FOR BUSINESS WAS A DIFFERENTIATOR, UH, WHEN LOOKING AT ERCOT VERSUS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. UM, AS THINGS ARE MOVED PAST THE STAKEHOLDER BODY, THAT REGULATORY RISK INCREASES AND THEREFORE DECREASES YOUR FUTURE CASH FLOW VIEWS OF YOUR POWER PLANTS. UM, I THINK WE ALL REALIZE THAT IF ALL THESE DATA CENTERS ARE COMING, UM, WE NEED MORE GENERATION. UM, AND I THINK THAT INCREASING THE FORWARDS ALREADY TELL YOU NOT TO BUILD, AND ANOTHER REASON IS NOT NEEDED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, BETH? YEAH, LET ME, UM, RATHER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY GOT OUR PANTIES AND A TWIST OVER THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SEQUENCING OF EVENTS HERE. UM, AND MAYBE WE'VE BECOME TOO FOCUSED ON THE BOARD MEETING AND THIS REPORT GOING THERE, AND NOBODY HAS ASKED. SO I WILL ASK WHAT, WHAT'S ERCOT PLAN AFTER THE BOARD MEETING AND THE PRESENTATION OF THIS REPORT? WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP THAT Y'ALL ARE THINKING OF, AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THIS GROUP HERE? YEAH, SO I, I THINK, I THINK THIS IS A, IS A GREAT QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR THE, AND I'LL USE A BASEBALL ANALOGY. THE, THE SOFTBALL, UM, IS THAT YES, THE LAYUP, KEITH? NO, THE LAYUP. I'M A BASEBALL. HEY, WE'RE SPRING TRAINING RIGHT NOW. SO, UM, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE PLAN IS THAT YES, WE WANT TO START WITH THE BOARD, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE DISCUSSIONS AFTER THAT. MY SENSE IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR A DISCUSSION EVEN AT THE PUC TO DISCUSS THE, THE REPORT AND TO ALSO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS AS WELL. SO YES, I THINK THE REPORT IS GOING TO HAVE A WIDE DISSEMINATION. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE FIRST PLACE IS GOING TO BE AT THE BOARD, BUT I'M NOT EXPECTING TO HAVE A, A, A SPECIFIC NPR COME OUT OTHER THAN YES, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT MAYBE THE BOARD DOESN'T THINK THAT DR IS IMPORTANT, GREAT. THEY DON'T THINK STRATEGICALLY IS IMPORTANT. MY SENSE IS THE ARGUMENT IS THAT IT IS A PIECE THAT'S STRATEGICALLY IMPORTANT AND THEN F HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND THEN, THEN FROM THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE, OKAY, WELL WHAT, WHAT NPRS MIGHT BE THINGS THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THIS IF YOU THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, SHOULD WE CONSIDER THIS IN VARIOUS WAYS? THAT'S THE DIALOGUE WE'RE EXPECTING TO COME OUT OF THIS. I, I'M, I'M CHOOSING TO, AND ERIC GAVE US A GREAT SUGGESTION, AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF YOU'D PICKED, IF YOU'D HONED IN ON IT, WHICH WAS, I, I'M CHOOSING TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE IT'S A TIMING ISSUE. THE BOARD IS THE FIRST PLACE UP, AND, AND WE WILL HAVE OUR ABILITY TO, TO FULLY VET AND DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION. NOT THAT I'M EXPECTING MUCH FROM THE BOARD. AND SO THE DIS THE REAL MEAT OF THE DISCUSSION WILL HAPPEN HERE. SO THAT'S, IF, IF THAT'S HELPFUL TO ANYBODY OR IF THAT'S JUST THE OWN, MY OWN LITTLE PRIVATE WORLD I'M LIVING IN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I'M CHOOSING TO THINK ABOUT THIS. AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, YES, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE VISION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, THERE'RE LIKELY TO BE THINGS COMING OUT IN THE DR SPACE AFTERWARDS AT SOME POINT, AND THOSE THINGS WILL BUBBLE UP EVENTUALLY TO THE HERE, THE BOARD, THE PUC, ET CETERA. I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT HOPEFULLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE SAYING IT IN NOT THE NICEST WAY, BUT WE WANT TO BE A PARTNER. I THINK EVEN IF STAKEHOLDER INPUT ISN'T REQUIRED, IT IS VALUABLE. SO GETTING INPUT INTO WHAT IS BEING STUDIED, I THINK SAVES TIME AND MONEY. AND YOU DON'T HAVE JUST A REPORT THAT SAYS DEMAND RESPONSE IS GOOD, RIGHT? I THINK THAT THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT AT THE BEGINNING CAN BE OF VALUE AND, AND WE'RE OFFERING TO BE OF AS MUCH VALUE AS OUR CO WILL LET US BE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ALICIA, I'M JUST GONNA COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL. I THINK WE FEEL LIKE THE GAME HAS BEEN FORFEITED AND WE'VE ALL SHOWN UP AND, UH, WANNA PLAY. BUT, UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, WILL THE IMM BE COMMENTING ON THIS, IS THAT A PART OF THE PLAN FOR THE BOARD? IF, IF THEY SHOULD SO CHOOSE THAT WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING HAVING THEM COMMENT [00:55:01] AT THE BOARD DIRECTLY? UM, WE EXPECT TO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A HIGH LEVEL DISCUSSION TO THE EXTENT THAT THE IMM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT AS PART OF THEIR DISCUSSION THEY CAN DO AS THEY CHOOSE. OKAY. ANY, UH, LAST COMMENTS FOR KEITH? I CAN, I CAN COMMENT ON THAT IF YOU LIKE. YEAH, GO AHEAD JEFF. YEAH, THANK YOU. AND SORRY FOR NOT GETTING IN THE QUEUE, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT IN TIME. IT'S OKAY. UM, SO I DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF COMMENTING AT THE BOARD THIS TIME, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN STRATEGIC AND AND TACTICAL AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE OVERALL GENERAL PROCESS IS FOR GETTING STAKEHOLDER INPUT PRIOR TO GOING TO THE BOARD AND SO FORTH. AND, AND JUST LISTENING TO THAT DISCUSSION, IT WAS, IT WAS HELPFUL TO ME, UM, TO SORT OF UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. AND I ALSO WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE THE POSITION THAT ERCOT IS IN, WHERE THEY FEEL THEY NEED TO EXPEDITE, UM, PROGRESS ON CERTAIN THINGS AND, AND SO, UH, MAKING A DISTINCTION AND BEING ABLE TO TALK WITH THE BOARD, NOT IN A DECISION CONTEXT, BUT IN AN INFORMATIONAL CONTEXT, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL MAYBE PRIOR TO GETTING STAKEHOLDER INPUT. HAVING, HAVING SAID ALL THAT THIS, FOR, FOR, I'M, I'M GENERALLY SPEAKING, IN ORDER TO SPEAK WITH THE BOARD, I WOULD NEED TO HAVE PROBABLY SOME MORE DEPTH ON WHAT CONVERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN GOING ON, WHAT'S MOTIVATING THESE THINGS AND THAT I WOULD GET FROM THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS. UM, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS YOU FOUND OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE OUR COMMENTS IN THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS EARLIER, UM, SO THAT THEY CAN BE TALKED ABOUT AND CONSIDERED. SO WE'RE, I COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH KEITH AND, AND OTHERS THAT ARE CAUGHT ABOUT THIS, UH, SOME MORE AND MAKE COMMENTS AT THE BOARD. BUT I, I ACTUALLY KIND OF THINK IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A BROADER CONVERSATION IN THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS ABOUT, ABOUT THIS ISSUE. IT SEEMS PREMATURE TO FOR, FOR ME TO OFFER COMMENTS AT THE BOARD. UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, I, I, I GUESS I WOULDN'T FIND THAT, I, I WOULDN'T LET THAT PROHIBIT ME FROM DOING IT. I JUST, WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH FOR ME TO HAVE, UH, MORE DETAILED COMMENTS. UH, MY GENERAL COMMENTS. I THINK EVERYONE COULD GUESS WHAT MY GENERAL COMMENTS WOULD BE REGARDING, UM, OUTTA MARKET DEMAND RESPONSE. ASIDE FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY PLAN TO COMMENT AT THE BOARD, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD, ONCE WE GOT THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS AND WHATEVER PLAN WHAT, YOU KNOW, GETS APPROVED AND FORWARDED TO THE BOARD, THEN I WOULD, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD ON THE I'S POSITION ON THAT. AND I HOPE THAT'S HOPEFUL THAT THE, THE, THE, THE TAKEAWAY IS THAT IT IS A PROCESS ISSUE AND I'M, I'M NOT GENERALLY, UM, BOUND BY PROCESS THAT WAY, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT, THAT THIS ISSUE'S BEEN VETTED ENOUGH. AND I THINK IF THE STAKEHOLDERS WANNA TALK ABOUT THEIR PROCESS ISSUES AT THE BOARD ON THIS ISSUE, THAT MIGHT BE OKAY, BUT OTHERWISE I, YOU KNOW, IT'S PREMATURE FOR ME TO HAVE A POSITION THAT I WOULD WANT TO TAKE UP THE BOARD'S TIME WITH. SO I, SO I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. OKAY, THANKS JEFF. ANYTHING ELSE FOR KEITH? OKAY, WE CAN MOVE TO THE, UH, BATCH STUDY UPDATE WITH MATT MARINAS. ALICIA, YOUR COMMENT'S DONE RIGHT? THANK YOU. AFTER PRIORITY ITEMS. ALRIGHT, GOOD MORNING MATT MARINAS, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. AND BILL, IT HAS FELT LIKE A HUNDRED GAMES. YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, SO QUICK OUTLINE. I CAN MAKE THIS A 20 MINUTE PRESENTATION. I'LL TRY TO GIVE YOU THE FIVE MINUTE VERSION SEEING THAT YOU'RE BEHIND, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SLOW DOWN AND BACK THE TRAIN UP. UM, SCOPE AND TIMING OF WHAT THE TASKS, THE WORKING, UM, WHAT DO WE CALL THESE THINGS? WORKSHOPS OR DEALING WITH THE PARALLEL PC ACTIVITIES. WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF INTERRELATED TO CONNECT THE DOTS FOR Y'ALL. UH, SUMMARY OF THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK TO DATE AND THEN THE OPTIONS FOR CONTROLLABLE LOAD RESOURCE AND BRING YOUR OWN GEN IN THIS PROCESS. THIS IS MY BRACKET. SO OUR BRACKET ON THE LEFT IS THE IDEA ON THE LEFT IS THE BAD BRACKET ON THE RIGHT'S, THE HAPPY BRACKET. UM, THE IDEA IS WE HAVE A LOAD POCKET WITH LOTS OF LOADS COMING IN AS THEY INDIVIDUALLY STUDY IT LOOKS GOOD, YOU PUT 'EM ALL TOGETHER, THEY DON'T WORK. AND SO IT'S THE IDEA OF HOW TO STUDY [01:00:01] EVERYTHING TOGETHER ON THE RIGHT IN A BATCH PROCESS. THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE TO. THE IDEA IS A BATCH ZERO IS THE FIRST TIME YOU DO THAT. WE HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR, UH, THE DELAYS IN THE PAST OF DOING THIS AND GETTING AHEAD OF THE GAME. SO, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE FILED THE NPR AND THE PIGGER. UH, THE PIGGER IS VERY SMALL RIGHT NOW. THE, I'M SORRY, THE PIGGER IS BIG. THE NPR IS SMALL. THAT MAY CHANGE BECAUSE AS WE TRY TO INTRODUCE, BRING YOUR OWN GEN OR CLR OR OTHER THINGS THAT NPR, THAT PROTOCOL FOOTPRINT MAY GROW, UM, THOSE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATIONS ON CLR AND BYOG IS WHAT WE'RE TARGETING FIRST WEEK OF APRIL. UH, AND THEN OUTTA SCOPE IS LONG-TERM BATCH JUST FOR THE WORKSHOPS. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW. UM, AND THIS IS THE SWARM OF MEETINGS TO GET TO THE JUNE 1ST BOARD. UH, JUST TO DRAW YOUR EYES, KIND OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS AS WE ENTER INTO APRIL, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE WORKSHOPS AND THEN WE TRANSITION INTO ROS'S. SO FROM HERE ON OUT INTO MAY, WE HAVE WEEKLY MEETINGS ON THIS STUFF. SO IT'S BRUTAL. IT'S, THESE ARE NINE 30 TO FOUR 30 EACH DAY WITH 400 PEOPLE, 75 IN THE ROOM, 300 ONLINE QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME. UH, I'LL TRY TO GIVE THE ESSENCE OF WHAT PROBLEMS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE HERE IN A MINUTE. UH, AND WE'RE REMINDING PEOPLE, 'CAUSE NOT EVERYONE'S BEEN IN THIS PROCESS FOREVER. UH, THE PLAYERS IN THIS ARE NOT THE WIRES COMPANIES AND THE GENERATORS, IT'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. SO REMINDING 'EM OF THE BIGGER AND THE NPR COMMENT AND THE GOVERNANCE PROCESS, IF YOU WILL. UH, IN TERMS OF THE WORKSHOP DISCUSSION THAT WAS HERE YESTERDAY, I'M LOOKING AROUND THE TABLE. ABOUT HALF OF Y'ALL WERE HERE, THE OTHER HALF WERE NOT. UM, THANK YOU FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT CAN ATTEND. MY APOLOGIES FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS IN A MONTH. IT'S HARD STUFF. UM, SO HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE REPRESENTATIVES WITHIN YOUR, UH, SEGMENTS TO KEEP ON TOP OF THIS. WHAT WE DID TALK ABOUT IS, UM, THE PIGGER AND NPRE EVOLUTION. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS RED LINES AT EACH MEETING IS WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST MEETING FROM AN ERCOT PERSPECTIVE. WE GOT THE NPR AND THE PIGGER COMMENTS, UH, RECEIVED WERE 21 SETS OF COMMENTS FROM COMPANIES THAT CAME IN. UH, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE C-L-R-B-Y-O-G. I'LL GIVE YOU A SNEAK PEEK AT THAT. UM, THE PUC, THERE IS A BIG THING AT THE PUC RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF BIG THINGS THERE. ONE OF THEM IS FOR US, THE BATCH PROCESS IS 5 8 4 8. ONE SAYS FOR THE LARGE LOAD INTERCONNECTION STANDARDS, WHAT KIND OF CAPITAL DO YOU NEED TO BRING TO THE TABLE? SECURITIZATION LAND CONTROL. WHAT QUALIFIES YOU TO SEE IF YOU'RE A REAL LARGE LOAD? THAT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ASK. ARE YOU MOVING DIRT AROUND? ARE YOU SECURITIZING? HAVE YOU PAID YOUR KAYAK FOR THE SUBSTATION? SO THEY HAVE UPDATED THAT WITH FILING ON MARCH 12TH. I'M NOT GONNA UNPACK THAT, BUT THINGS LIKE THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A MEGAWATT BECAME $50,000 A MEGAWATT. AND SO THERE'S PIECES OF THIS THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE NPR EVOLUTION ITSELF, WERE REPLICATING 5 8 4 8 1 AS PROPOSED INTO PROTOCOLS. EVEN AS THAT MOVES AROUND, IT MAY MOVE AROUND IN THE PROTOCOL, BUT THERE IS THIS POINT AT WHICH 5 8, 4 8 1 MAY NOT BE APPROVED YET, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A FORK IN THE ROAD, I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, BARK SEAL'S ALWAYS SITTING RIGHT OVER THERE. THERE'S A FORK IN THE ROAD TO SAY, WELL, BASED ON WHERE 5 8 4 8 1 IS AT, WHAT SHOULD WE PUT IN FOR BATCH ZERO? SO AT THAT POINT, THERE MAY BE A SPLINTERING OFF OF FIRMING THAT UP, EVEN THOUGH IT WON'T BE THE FOREVER, UH, VALUES. SO IN TERMS OF THE, UH, PEOPLE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD REPRESENTATION. THIS GIVES YOU A FEEL OF THE TYPES OF COMPANIES THAT ARE THERE. AGAIN, IT'S DIFFERENT, UM, PEOPLE THAN YOU'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WHO'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, FILING SINGULAR, MULTIPLE SETS OF COMMENTS. UH, THE WAY THAT THE THEMES OF WHAT'S COMING IN IS THIS TREATMENT OF ADVANCED OR LEGACY PROJECTS. UH, IT'S A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN GOING. THEY'VE HAD A SPOT IN THE QUEUE FOR THREE YEARS. ARE THEY GONNA BE ELIGIBLE TO BE IN THE BASELINE MOVING FORWARD? ARE THEY ELIGIBLE FOR BATCH OR ARE THEY ON THE SIDELINE? SO THOSE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA IS WHERE WE'VE HAD MOST OF THE COMMENTS AROUND, UM, THE FRAMEWORK. IN FAIRNESS, WHAT ARE THE CUTOFF DEADLINES? EVERYONE WANTS TO MOVE THOSE DATES AROUND. IF WE MAKE IT HAPPY AND EASY FOR EVERYONE, THEN WE'RE GONNA OVERLOAD THE SYSTEM AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE OUR JOB. PROTECTING, PROTECTING IS THE WRONG WORD, LOOKING AT THE TRADE-OFFS OF THE RIGHT TIMELINES TO GET THE RIGHT LOADS IN. IT'S A REALLY HARD QUESTION TO ASK, UH, TO ANSWER. UH, AND THEN THE FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS ARE MOSTLY TIED TO THE PUC, UH, AND THEN JUST THE GOVERNANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION OF HOW THESE THINGS GO. I DID PUT IN THE APPENDIX FOUR SLIDES THAT SHOW QUANTITY BY ISSUES BY SECTION. SO SECTION, YOU KNOW, PLANNING GUIDE 9.2 HAD 21 SETS OF COMMENTS AGAINST THIS PIECE OR THAT PIECE. SO YOU CAN GO BACK AND READ THAT IF YOU WANT TO. SO HERE'S THE STRETCH GOAL. UM, WHEN THE COMMISSION WEIGHED IN ON THIS AND SAID, TAKE THIS THROUGH THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, BACK, ZERO IS JOB ONE. [01:05:01] JOB TWO IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT IF YOU CAN GET IT, WHICH IS HOW TO MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THE CONTROLLABLE LOAD RESOURCES OR FLEXIBILITY IN THIS REALM, AS WELL AS BRING YOUR OWN GEN. WE NEED MORE GENERATION IN ERCOT FOR THE DATA CENTER. SO CREATE A PAIRING CONSTRUCT TO GET THAT IN. SO WHAT WE'VE TAKEN TO THE TASK FORCE IS THE IDEA THAT A CLR IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE HAVE A HANDLE ON. SO IT'S, IT'S A YES NO, OR MAYBE, SO WE HAVE MAYBES AND NOS RIGHT NOW. SO THE YESES ARE, OR THE MAYBES ARE A TRADITIONAL CLR, BUT THIS IS A, THIS IS IMPORTANT. THIS IS NOT A BITCOIN CLR. THEY CAN GO UP AND DOWN AND ALL AROUND BASED ON MONEY. THIS IS A CLR THAT WOULD HAVE A TRANSMISSION CONSTRAINT PIECE IN SC THAT WOULD KEEP IT UNDER ANY CONGESTION IN THE AREA. SO THE IDEA IS THEY CAN COME IN ON A PLANNING SCENARIO AND ONLY WITHDRAW A HUNDRED, BUT IF THERE'S NO CONGESTION, THEY COULD CONSUME UP TO 500. SO THE IDEA IS USE THE NETWORK IF IT'S THERE, IF IT'S NOT SKIDS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BOUNCE YOU DOWN. SO THERE IS THAT CLR CONSTRUCT. UH, PEOPLE HAVE SAID, CAN WE PAIR A CLR WITH A BATTERY AND MAKE IT KIND OF LOOK LIKE ONE? AND THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT YOU CAN. AND THEN THERE'S THE BYOG, WHICH IS A SELF-LIMITING, BRING YOUR OWN GENERATOR. SO I HAVE A PICTURE FOR EACH OF THESE. I WON'T UNPACK THIS 'CAUSE WE'LL BE HERE TOO LONG. UM, BUT JUST KIND OF THE EXAMPLE BELOW IS, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD A THOUSAND MEGAWATT DATA CENTER, YOUR LOAD RAMP IS A HUNDRED FIFTY, THREE HUNDRED, FIVE HUNDRED, SEVEN HUNDRED. BUT IN THE STUDY WE CAN ONLY GIVE YOU, WE ERCOT CAN ONLY GIVE YOU A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS, 300 FOR THE NEXT TWO, AND THEN THE NETWORK'S BEEN UPGRADED, YOU GET A THOUSAND. SO COULD YOU BE A CONTROLLABLE LOAD IN THIS REALM AND OPERATE IN THAT RANGE? UM, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WOULD WORK, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A BATTERY DIESEL, SOMETHING BIG BEHIND THE FENCE THAT'S NOT CONNECTED TO ERCOT. THAT CAN BE YOUR OWN THING. YOU COULD USE THIS LOAD AND BACK FEED IT FROM THAT THING AS A CONTROLLABLE LOAD. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA CALL THAT , BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM A REGISTERED RESOURCE. SO THIS IS DEFINITIONS MATTER. AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA SPEND TIME ON THIS. THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S GETTING THE ATTENTION. IF I'M A LOAD AND I BRING GENERATION, CAN I CONNECT NOW? AND IN YEAR THREE, CAN I BE AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND MEGAWATTS THAT SELF LIMIT TO WHERE ONLY A HUNDRED GOES OUT THE GATE? SO THE IDEA IS HOW TO MAKE RULES AROUND THAT. THE NICE PART IS THIS SELF-LIMITING CONCEPT IS ALREADY IN PROTOCOLS AS IS CLR. SO THE CLR, WE CAN MASSAGE THOSE AND KIND OF CLONE IT AND MAKE IT A BATCH TYPE CLR. SIMILARLY, FOR THE BYOG, WE CAN CLONE THE SELF-LIMITING THAT WAS DEFINED IN 10 26 AND MAKE IT FOR LOAD ALSO. SO THOSE ARE THE DIRECTIONS WE'RE HEADED. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THIS NETTED NETWORK CONCEPT. ERCOT ISS, NOT OPPOSED TO A NETTED NETWORK, WE JUST HAVEN'T MADE IT FAR ENOUGH ALONG THE WAY. AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BATCH ALLOCATION METHODOLOGY. IT STILL IS A NETWORK OF STUFF. AND REALLY THE NETTED NETWORK JUST HELPS YOU GET ANCILLARY SERVICES OUTTA THAT THING. BUT STEEL IN THE GROUND, IT DOESN'T CHANGE IN THE STUDY. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE KIND OF SET THAT ASIDE. AGAIN, WE HAVE DAYS TO GET TO BOARD APPROVAL, NOT MONTHS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS SIMPLE. UM, AND THEN THROUGH DISCUSSIONS AT THE STAKEHOLDERS AS WE LAID OUT THE SELF-LIMITING FACILITY, THEY SAID, WELL HAVEN'T, IF YOU'VE OVERBUILT YOUR GEN AND YOU HAVE A LOAD, AREN'T YOU G MINUS ONE SECURE? SO WE SCRATCHED OUR HEADS AND SAID, YES, MAYBE YOU ARE, MAYBE THIS CAN BE SOME SORT OF PUN. SO WE'RE TRYING TO STRETCH INTO THAT IF WE CAN. UH, IF WE NEED TO FALL BACK INTO SELF-LIMITING, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE LAND. WE'D LIKE TO GET SOMETHING RATHER THAN NOTHING. UM, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE OPTIONS RIGHT NOW. UM, SO AGAIN, WE'RE ON A SIX DAY TURNAROUND TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP, AND THEN IT'S A QUICK WHIP INTO APRIL AND WEEKLY MEETINGS TO THAT POINT. SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY, SO LET ME SUMMARIZE IT THIS WAY. A LOT OF COLLABORATION AND WORK, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN. THE FRICTION IS NOW GONNA BE TO TRY TO FIND THE DATES AND TO GET TO THE VOTES, AND THAT'LL BE JUST IN TIME FOR R OS. WE'LL GET THE FIRST BITE OF THE APPLE ON THAT, UH, PROBABLY IN LATE APRIL. SO I'LL LET, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, GO FOR IT. YEAH, LET'S GO, LET'S TAKE QUESTIONS. KEN. HEY MATT, GOOD JOB AGAIN. AND, UH, LONG DAY YESTERDAY. A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THAT AND A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH. YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE EIGHT? YES. REALIZE THAT THAT MANY SLIDES YES. YEAH. DOWN ON, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT THE FINANCIAL SECURITY ON THE INTERMEDIATE AGREEMENT REQUIREMENTS OF 50,000 PER MEGAWATT. THAT DOESN'T THAT ALSO APPLY IN LATER ON? IT'S NOT JUST INTERMEDIATE. WE HAVE FINANCIAL SECURITY OF $50,000 PER MEGAWATT AND WE HAVE AN INTERCONNECT FEE OF $50,000 FOR MEGAWATT. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, UH, EVAN, IF YOU WANNA TRY TO ANSWER, I'D LIKE TO DEFER QUESTIONS LIKE THAT. UH, LIKE THAT'S 5, 8, 4 1 [01:10:01] QUESTION AND YEAH. WORKSHOP QUESTION. SORRY. UH, I SEE EVAN ROW IS RAMBLING UP TO THE TABLE IF HE HAS A THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN TO ANSWER IT. COOL. OKAY. YEAH. UH, IT, IT, UH, UPON SIGNING THE INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT, THE FINANCIAL SECURITY BECOMES A FEE AND IT'S THE SAME 50,000. RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE PEOPLE AWARE, I THINK PEOPLE ARE MIXING UP THE TWO 50,000. THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ONES. YEAH, IT'S NOT ONE, IT'S TWO. NO, NO. POINT 50,000. PLUS 50,000 DEPENDING ON THE, YEAH. YEP. OKAY, GOT IT. JUST WANNA CLARIFY YOUR CONNECTION FEE, DOESN'T IT ROLL OR DOES IT, ARE THEY SEPARATE? THAT'S THE QUESTION. ALRIGHT. EVIDENTLY THERE'S DISAGREEMENT. I'LL TELL YOU IT'S OUR, IT'S, UH, ON THE ERCOT SIDE, IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT AT, AT THE SE AT THE SIGNING OF THE INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT, THESE, UH, FINANCIAL SECURITY 50,000 BECOMES THE INTERCONNECTION FEE. SO IT'S ONE, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN WORK THAT OUT. AND OF COURSE, I GUESS BEST OF ALL, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GET WORKED OUT AT THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION. YEAH, YEAH. IT'S, THAT'S COMMISSION RULE PROGRESS. YEAH. IT'S VERY FUZZY IN THE RULE. OKAY, THANKS GUYS. YEAH, SORRY KEN, SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION. OKAY. KEVIN? YEAH, KEVIN HANSEN, VERJEE. THE OTHER ASPECT OF ALL THIS IS PROJECT 5 8 4 8 4, WHICH IS THE FOUR CP PROJECT, WHICH WILL NOT BE COMPLETE TILL THE END OF THIS YEAR. WE, WE STILL DON'T KNOW FROM THAT IF YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DRIVEWAY ONLY OR THE ROAD ALSO. SO IT'S A POSSIBILITY YOU GOTTA GIGAWATT PROJECT, WHICH AGAIN WILL GET CLARITY, UH, LATER ON. BUT YOU COULD BE PAYING 50 MILLION, 50 MILLION AND THEN YOU'RE PAYING FOR A BILLION DOLLAR, UH, RRB G PROJECT. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. AND WE WILL NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION UNTIL BATCH SERIAL IS COMPLETED. SO THEORETICALLY WE COULD EVER A HUNDRED GIGAWATTS OF LARGE LOADS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EACH OF 'EM RESPONSIBLE FOR $150 BILLION AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND WE'RE CANCELING ALL THESE PROJECTS. SO THAT'S A HUGE RISK TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS. WE'D RATHER HAVE THAT THAN TO HAVE TO PAY FOR STUFF ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, BUT, OKAY. THANKS, KEVIN. BLAKE, BLAKE HOLE, LCRA. MATT, YOU TOUCHED ON THIS A BIT YESTERDAY, UH, BUT RECEIVED 21 SETS OF COMMENTS, ERCOT PLANS TO PRODUCE A MATRIX OR SPREADSHEET OF THOSE COMMENTS. I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, AS WE START LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF MEETINGS THAT ARE LEFT BEFORE A VOTE, WHAT ARE Y'ALL'S PLANS TO GET TO A SINGLE REQUEST? YEAH, WE DIDN'T LAY THAT OUT YESTERDAY VERY WELL. UM, THE IDEA IS TO DISPOSE OF THE DISPOSE ADDRESS, UH, SHARE OUR THOUGHTS OF THE PROCESS ON MONDAY, THIS MEETING, AND THAT LATER IN THE WEEK, ERCOT WOULD THEN FILE ITS COMMENTS AS KINDA THAT COUNTER PROPOSAL OF, SEE IF THIS MEETS IN THE MIDDLE. SO THAT WOULD BE LATE NEXT WEEK. THANK YOU. YOU BET. OKAY, BILL. THANKS MATT. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE A MOMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HOW MUCH WORK IS BEING DONE. AND THIS IS TRULY INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK FROM THE ERCOT TEAM AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE LOOKING AT THESE, UH, TRANSACTIONS, NOT ONLY IN ERCOT BUT ELSEWHERE IN THE US I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU GUYS ARE BEING SEEN, LIKE YOU'RE BEING RECOGNIZED AS THE ISO THAT'S TURNING THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER BETTER THAN OTHER MARKETS. AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHY WHEN BOB WHITMEYER PROVIDES HIS REPORT ON THE STATUS OF THE INTERCONNECTION QUEUE, LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY KEEP ON COMING, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF ADAPTING THE RULES AND A VERY COMPLICATED POWER MARKET THAT IS DIFFICULT TO DO. SO JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TEAM'S ACKNOWLEDGED AND EVERYONE THAT'S WORKING ON THIS STUFF, IT'S TRULY INCREDIBLE. THANKS COACH . UM, AND I DO, SO I, YEAH, I TWO BATCH ZERO WORKSHOPS LEFT. I'M LOOKING AT SLIDE 18 MONDAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE ON WHAT THE FOCUS IS GOING TO BE? ARE WE ALSO GONNA HAVE A, A PORTION OF TIME DEDICATED TO THE B-Y-O-G-C-L-R CONCEPTS? AGAIN, I THINK DIGESTING THAT REALLY GOOD SLIDE, UH, THAT HAS PUN PLUS ON IT AND THE SELF-LIMITING FACILITY. SLIDE 17, UH, MORE FEEDBACK ON HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, IMPROVE SOME OF THOSE, UH, CONFIGURATIONS FOR BATCH ZERO AND BEYOND ARE, WHAT, WHAT SHOULD WE EXPECT FOR MONDAY, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION. FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THE COMMENTS ON BATCH ZERO ITSELF. SECOND WILL BE WE THINK WE HAVE THE CR LANGUAGE IN DRAFTY FORM, OR AT LEAST BULLET POINTS, [01:15:01] WHAT WE THINK THE CLR LOOKS LIKE. AND THEN THE THING WOULD BE FOR US IS TO COME BACK WITH WHAT WE THINK IS THE MOST VIABLE BYOG CONFIGURATION OR CONFIGURATIONS THAT WE CAN SUPPORT TO TRY AND DEVELOP RULES FOR BATCH ZERO. FOR BATCH ZERO, YES. OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAVE A APRIL 8TH DEADLINE TO FILE THE REVISION REQUESTS. UH, WILL WE, SHOULD WE EXPECT NPR AND PLANNING GUIDE REVISIONS, OPERATING GUIDES? AND THOSE WILL BE FORMALLY FILED WITH A NUMBER, NOT LIKE POSTED ON THE APRIL 9TH WORKSHOP AS IN DRAFT FORM. AT THE RISK OF CREATING CONFUSION, WE THINK IT MAY BE BETTER TO FILE THOSE AS COMMENTS TO IT. SO THE 1.5 EXISTING NPR? YES. AH, OKAY. SO THAT'S A BIT OF A PIVOT AND WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH LEGAL ON WHAT'S THE EASIEST, IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO KEEP EVERYTHING OR DO WE SPIN UP A WHOLE NOTHER REALM OF LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE TO RECONCILE BETWEEN TWO SETS? SO DO WE JUST KEEP IT AS A COMMENT SET? OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. BUT OH, I'M SORRY. SO FOUR EIGHT YES. IS A DEADLINE FOR GETTING THE CLR LANGUAGE OUT. BYOG MAY NEED ANOTHER WEEK AFTER THAT. OKAY. UM, MIKE, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I, A COUPLE COMMENTS AND A QUESTION. FIRST COMMENT, UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH KEVIN HANSEN. UH, WE CAN'T, AS, UH, A WHOLE BODY OF ERCOT, WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SHOT AT THE BUZZER. UH, FOR, FOR THE COST ALLOCATION TO BE DECIDED ON NETWORK TRANSMISSION COSTS BY THESE LARGE LOADS, IT IS AN ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL COMPONENT OF ALL OF OUR LOAD SERVING ENTITIES THAT ARE WORKING WITH THESE LARGE LOADS. I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT COMMENT GOES TO, BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COST ALLOCATION PROCESS DEFINED AND IT'S GOTTA BE DONE EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER. UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, SECOND COMMENT. I AGREE WITH, UH, BILL BARNES ERCOT HAS TAKEN ON A HUGE TASK AND THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. SO I ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS AND, UH, KEEP, UH, KEEP PLUGGING ALONG. ALTHOUGH IT FEELS LIKE YOU'RE 20 POINTS BEHIND, UH, YOU'RE GONNA CATCH UP AND, AND, UH, , WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA WIN THIS ONE. UH, MY QUESTION IS, AND FOR MATT AND I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE WORKSHOPS, SO I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO GIVE ME A DETAILED ANSWER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BEING COVERED. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RELIABILITY IMPACTS OF, UH, THE BRINGING YOUR OWN GENERATION, UH, FULLY APPRECIATE THESE LARGE LOADS BRINGING THIS GENERATION, WHAT IS ARE, SORRY, IS ERCOT DEALING WITH THE POTENTIAL RELIABILITY IMPLICATIONS OF A LARGE LOAD, LET'S SAY A THOUSAND MEGAWATTS AND THEY HAVE THEIR GENERATION AND, UH, SUDDENLY THAT THOUSAND MEGAWATTS OF GENERATION, UH, DROPS OFF LINE. IS ERCOT GOING TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THAT GENERATION BE TIED TO, LET'S SAY A RELAY THAT OPENS UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOAD IS NOT PULLING ANY, ANYTHING FROM THE GRID? UH, I JUST WANT TO BE COMFORTED KNOWING THAT ERCOT ISS DEALING WITH THE ISSUE AND THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING A CAS A POTENTIAL CASCADING, UH, RELIABILITY PROBLEM BY ALLOWING THIS BEHIND THE METER GENERATION WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE RELIABILITY IMPLICATIONS. SO HELP ME THERE. BIG QUESTION. SO NOW IN TERMS OF THE BATCH, WE'RE NOT SOLVING THE RISK OF A VERY LARGE LOAD TRIPPING OFFLINE. THAT'S A RISK SINGLE CONTINGENCY TYPE THING. THERE'S OTHER PROTOCOLS AROUND THAT. BUT ON THE SELF-LIMITING FACILITY WE DID, ERCOT WAS TALKING ABOUT TOP RIGHT THERE. IF THIS IS A THOUSAND MEGAWATT LOAD AND THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE STUDY UP TO A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS RELIABLY IS WHETHER OR NOT, THEN WE WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A REVERSE POWER RELAY IN TO WHERE IF THE GEN TRIPS OFFLINE, THE LOAD DROPS OFFLINE. I DIDN'T SAY TRIP, I SAID DROP. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY MANAGE IT DOWN, BUT THE IDEA IS TO THEN PROTECT AND BACK OFF THE SELF-LIMITING FACILITY RIGHT NOW IS AN AFTER THE FACT COMPLIANCE THING. WE CAN'T HAVE THAT ON A 1 38 IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. IT'LL SMOKE THE LINE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RELAYS AND STUFF TO PROTECT THE SYSTEM FROM THAT. THIS IS JUST LIKE THE WORK WORK GROUP. YOU JUST QUESTIONS JUST KEEP COMING . I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA CUT 'EM OFF THOUGH. NOT YET. UM, I DO. NO, I DO. WELL, THERE ARE WAYS YOU'RE MUCH BETTER THIS THAN I'M AMAZING. AND, UH, SHOT CLOCKS AND, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK I GOT TOO MANY IDEAS ABOUT BASKETBALL REFERENCES AND THEN MY HEAD EXPLODED, BUT I DID GET THE SHOT CLOCK ONE. UM, OKAY, LET'S GO TO JOHN HUBBARD GENRE FORWARD WITH TIEC. UM, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO SOME OF BILL'S [01:20:01] QUESTIONS. I, I KNOW ERCOT IS PLANNING TO DRAFT THE CLR LANGUAGE. IS ERCOT SIMILARLY PLANNING TO DRAFT THE BRING OWN GENERATION LANGUAGE? YES. JUST PROBABLY WON'T HAVE IT FOR THE EIGHTH THE FOLLOWING WEEK, MOST LIKELY. SAY AGAIN? UH, YOU MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY THE FOLLOWING WEEK. THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING. YES. THIS IS ASPIRATIONAL AS FAST AS WE CAN CLR, WE HAVE A HANDLE ON BYOG. WE HAVEN'T EVEN NAILED DOWN WHICH OF THESE THINGS WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT, SO I CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT. THANK YOU. WHAT I AM COMMITTING IS TO GET IT OUT SOON ENOUGH THAT IT COULD GO TO THE BOARD, POSSIBLY THAT IS OUR PLAN. SO APRIL 8TH WAS GOOD FORM AFTER THAT JUST CREATES MORE OF A MESS THE LATER IT GOES OUT. UNDERSTOOD. GO TO THE BOARD WHEN? IN JUNE, WHAT'S THAT? GO TO THE BOARD IN JUNE. JUNE ONE? YES. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ALL THESE SPECIAL PRS MEETINGS. REMEMBER? MAY IS THE, UH, THE REAL MADNESS, BUT NO, THE PLAN IS TO TRY AND GET IT OUT A WEEK AFTERWARDS. I'M NOT TRYING TO, MATT WANTS IT OUT THE WEEK AFTER, BUT IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO ACTUALLY GET IT OUT AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS KEEP TALKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF THOUGH. I MEAN, THERE'S THE WHOLE OFF RAMPS OF HEY, YOU COULD DO THIS, DO THAT. OUR PURPOSE OF BILL ASKED SOMEBODY ASKED, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE NEXT MEETING? IT IS NAILED DOWN, WHICH BYOG OPTION TO PURSUE AND THEN DRIVE TO PROTOCOL LANGUAGE AS FAST AS WE CAN. HOPEFULLY TWO WEEKS ERCOT COULD GET THAT OUT. OKAY. I'M SURE WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. UH, BARATH. HEY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU. HEY, SO, UH, I WAS JUST COMMENTING ON THE SECURITY. SO I READ IT HAS $50,000 OF SECURITY POSTED INITIALLY AT THE INTERMEDIATE STAGE AND THEN THAT GOES REFUNDABLE AT, UH, THE INTERCONNECTION STAGE FOR FIGHT 4 8 1. UH, BUT AGAIN, I THINK GOING BACK TO, UH, PRIOR COMMENTS, I THINK IT, IT IS BAD ZERO SHOULD HAVE A DETACHED SECURITY REQUIREMENTS AND SHOULD NOT QUALIFY IT FOR IT. ONE, BECAUSE IT HAS MORE NUANCED LOADS THAN JUST, UH, ALL THE NEW LOADS, UH, THAT ARE DEFINED IN 5 8, 4 8 1 LANGUAGE. SO THAT'S IT. OKAY. CHRIS MATOS APPLY WITH GOOGLE. UM, I, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE HEADING TOWARDS THE END GAME OR WHATEVER BASKETBALL REFERENCE YOU WANNA MAKE FOR THIS ONE, UM, YOU KNOW, I AM CONSCIENTIOUS THAT THIS P AND THIS PI R EFFECTIVELY TAKES AWAY THE INTERCONNECTION PROCESS ENTIRELY BY THE END OF IT. SO WE GET THROUGH THE BATCH PROCESS AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF A NOTHING THERE BECAUSE WE DELETE SECTION LEGACY SECTIONS 9.4, 9.5. AND SO EVEN THOUGH THE WORK IS GET REACHING TOWARDS, IT'S A FINAL RE RESOLUTION HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MORE FOR TAX PURVIEW THAN IT IS ANYTHING ELSE. THE WORK IS IS BY NO MEANS OVER. AND WE WILL NEED TO QUICKLY AGAIN, WORK THROUGH CREATING A CONTINUOUS OR SOME SORT OF, UM, INTERIM INTERCONNECTION PROCESS BECAUSE, WELL, I HATE INTERIM, SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WORK TOWARDS A, A CONTINUOUS BATCHING PROCESS VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BY OWN, UM, STANDARDS, WE SHOULD START DOING THESE IN EVERY SIX MONTHS AND WE CAN'T JUST HAVE THE QUEUE NOT EXIST FOR YEARS. YEAH. SO I THINK WHAT CHRIS HAS BROUGHT UP IS AT A SCOPE IS THE LONG-TERM BATCH AFTER THIS. SO IT'S LIKE IT'S IMPORTANT TO SPIN THAT UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AFTERWARDS. YES. AND THOUGH THERE IS NO INTERCONNECTION PROCESS ONCE THIS IS PASSED. SO IT IS REALLY TWO THINGS. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE, MATT, ON WHEN THE PERPETUAL BATCH, CAN I SAY THINGS AND NOT HOLD ME TO IT? WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THE LONGER TERM BATCH NPR INTO THE STAKEHOLDER'S HANDS BY THE END OF THE YEAR. AND I WISH I HAD THE BATCH PROCESS TO SHOW THAT THE BATCH PROCESS, LIKE THE COMMITMENT TIMELINE ISN'T UNTIL, I DUNNO IF IT'S FEBRUARY OR MARCH OF NEXT YEAR. SO THIS IS END OF 2026, KNOWING THAT WE WOULDN'T NEED IT UNTIL 2027. SO, I'M SORRY, BOARD APPROVAL BY END OF 2026. OKAY. YEAH, FOR THE BATCH. THE FIRST TIME YOU SAID IN THE PROCESS BY THE END, BUT BOARD APPROVAL BY THE END. YES. OKAY. WE WON'T HOLD YOU TO ANYTHING. PLEASE DON'T HOLD US TO ANYTHING EITHER. YES. ALL THREE NPRS TO JUNE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS. UM, MARK, [01:25:01] BRUCE, CAITLYN, THIS IS MARK. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU. GREAT. UM, IT'S MARK BRUCE ON BEHALF OF AMAZON WEB SERVICES ON THIS ISSUE. UM, I ECHO EVERYTHING BILL BARNES SAID, MATT, YOU GUYS ARE DOING SOME HEAVY, HEAVY LIFTING THERE AND I APPRECIATE HOW RESPONSIVE YOU ARE TO STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO KEEP DOING THAT. THAT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. UM, ON, ON CHRIS'S QUESTION, UM, I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT SORT OF THE, THE TIMING AND THE TRANSITION FROM BATCH ZERO TO BATCH ONE AND BEYOND. UM, AND TO HIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HIT THIS POINT IN STARTING IN JUNE WHERE SOMEONE WANTS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, GET AN INTERCONNECTION REQUEST NUMBER AND YOU KNOW, THEY FIND THEMSELVES BEING IN NO MAN'S LAND. THE, THE BIGGER ONE 15 PROCESS IS DEAD, THE BATCH ZERO PROCESS IS LOCKED, THE BATCH ONE PROCESS IS NOT DEFINED. AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY GOING ON OUT THERE AND PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA, UH, WHERE THEY ARE OR WHAT'S HAPPENING. UM, SO I KNOW YOUR PLATE IS FULL. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT A BIG COMPLICATED THING IN FRONT OF YOU RACING TO THIS JUNE DEADLINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, TAKING A MOMENT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION CAN YOU MAKE TO THE MARKET AT LARGE FOR THIS INTERIM PERIOD BETWEEN THE ADOPTION OF BATCH ZERO RULES AND THE STAKEHOLDER DELIBERATION OF THE BATCH ONE RULES, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THERE. UM, I JUST CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS SOME FORM OF CLEAR COMMUNICATION TO THE MARKET IS PROBABLY ADVISABLE. UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPECULATE ON THAT. I'M NOT HOLDING YOU TO ANYTHING. I'M JUST FLAGGING IT TO SAY THAT THE MARKET IS ALL EARS ON THAT ISSUE, I THINK. UM, AND THEN THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO TURN, UH, RETURN QUICKLY TO THE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY KEVIN HANSON, UH, AND, UH, AND MIKE WISE. AND IF, IF BARKSDALE IS IN THE ROOM OR SOMEONE FROM COMMISSION STAFF IS MAYBE ACTUALLY THE RIGHT, UH, PERSON TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE SHOULD BE HOLDING OUT ANY HOPE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF CLEAR REVISION TO THE METHODOLOGY FOR THE ALLOCATION OF TRANSMISSION COSTS, UH, ANYWHERE ALONG THIS BATCH ZERO DEVELOPMENT AND EXECUTION PROCESS. IF MY UNDERSTANDING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, LET ME JUST SAY WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND THEN COMMISSION STAFF CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND, AND WE CAN ALL MAYBE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, BUT THE STAFF IS PERFORMING A STUDY AND THE STAFF IS SUBMITTING A REPORT TO THE LEGISLATURE. AND THE NEXT REAL POLICY DEBATE EITHER HAPPENS LIKE END OF THE YEAR WHEN THE COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE LEGISLATURE OR IN 2027 WHEN THE LEGISLATURE TAKES UP THE ISSUE AND THE COMMISSION'S REPORT. BUT THAT COMMISSION PROJECT THAT'S OPEN NOW IS NOT TECHNICALLY STYLED AS A RULEMAKING, RIGHT? IT'S A REPORTING EXERCISE, AN INFORMATION GATHERING AND OPTIONS EVALUATION EXERCISE. IS THERE SOMEONE FROM THE COMMISSION STAFF WHO CAN MAYBE SQUARE THAT UP? AM AM I THINKING ABOUT THAT CORRECTLY, ABOUT THAT TIMELINE AND THAT ACTIVITY SCHEDULE? YES, MARK, I CAN ADDRESS THAT. UH, IKA FOR THE COMMISSION STAFF, THAT PROJECT IS THE FIRST STEP BEFORE THE RULE MAKING. SO WE PUBLISHED A REPORT AND THERE ARE THERE VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT IF WE HAVE TO ALLOCATE MORE COSTS TO THE LARGE LOADS. SO REALLY WE ARE EXPECTING STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK ON THAT. BUT AFTER THAT COMMISSION, UH, THAT REPORT, UH, WE RECEIVED THE COMMENTS, STAFF WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, AND AFTER THAT IT'LL BE A RULEMAKING FOR THE TRANSMISSION COST ALLOCATION. AND THAT RULEMAKING HAS TO BE DONE BY DECEMBER. IT'S NOT A REPORT TO LEGISLATURE. WE HAVE TO FINISH, UH, THE RULEMAKING BY DECEMBER AND COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON THE REPORT DO WE CHANGE FOR CP OR NOT. IS THAT CLEAR? OKAY. SO LET ME REPEAT THAT BACK AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IT IS THE COMMISSION'S GOAL TO ADOPT A RULE BY THE END OF THE YEAR, CORRECT? BECAUSE IT'S IN THE STATUTE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE TO DO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY. ARE WE GOOD, MARK? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO IAN. UM, THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE THINGS. MIKE WANTED TO LET YOU, UM, ERCOT DID SPEAK QUITE A BIT ON THE RELAY PROTECTIONS. UM, THEY DID CLEARLY SAY THOUGH THAT A RAZ WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR THAT. UM, SO, UM, AGREE WITH [01:30:01] EVERYTHING MATT WAS SAYING THAT THAT IS DEFINITELY BEING DISCUSSED AND AGREE WITH YOU. UM, MATT, TWO THINGS. UM, ONE IS, UM, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ERCOT TO REMIND PARTICIPANTS THAT THIS IS BATCH ZERO AND NOT OPERATIONS AND NOT BATCHES. I'M CALLING IT BATCH N THE BATCHES GOING FORWARD. UM, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING THAT, BUT PLEASE, UH, PULL THAT LEVER AS YOU GUYS SEE FIT. AND ALSO, UM, A HUGE THANK YOU FOR THE LIFT FOR THE CLR AND BYOG CONCEPTS AND PUTTING, HAVING ERCOT WRITE THOSE. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE FANTASTIC THINGS TO HAVE IN BATCH ZERO AND I'M EXTREMELY APPRECIATIVE THAT ERCOT STAFF WAS WILLING TO WRITE IT AND NOT JUST OFFER IT TO THE MARKET TO LET IT BE IF THEY WISH TO DO IT. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS IAN. OKAY, ERIC, ERIC GOFF ON BEHALF OF TEXAS BUYERS ALLIANCE. UM, I THINK THAT IT COULD BE USEFUL FOR TAC TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE ABOUT TRANSMISSION PLANNING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH IN THIS GROUP ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT KINDS OF REPORTS, UM, AND STUDIES. SO SPECIFICALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THE ONLY WAY TO ADD, UM, LOAD THROUGH THE BATCH PROCESS OR CAN THE RPG PLANS THAT MANY UTILITIES HAVE FILED BASED ON LARGE LOADS ALSO INTERCONNECT THOSE LOADS? AND THIS IS NOT JUST A, YOU KNOW, A NARROW ISSUE BECAUSE IF THE LADDER IS TRUE, THEN THOSE LOADS CAN BE APPROVED MUCH SOONER. UM, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TBA IS PUSHING FOR. BUT IN RESPONSE TO TIBA AND, YOU KNOW, FIVE TO 10 OTHER PARTICIPANTS SAYING VERY SIMILAR THINGS IN THE WORKSHOP, I THINK ERCOT THOUGHT THEY COULDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THE RPG DOESN'T APPROVE LOADS, UM, ACCORDING TO, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT PERSPECTIVE. AND SO IF OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO RELIABLY AND ALSO QUICKLY INTERCONNECT LARGE LOADS, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A REAL, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO DO. AND I, I'D HATE FOR IT TO GET LOST IN THE WEEDS. THE, THE OTHER SIMILAR ITEM IS NOT RELATED TO TRANSMISSION PLANNING, BUT I JUST WANNA NOTE IT IN THE SAME COMMENT, WHICH IS, UM, FACILITIES WHERE THE UTILITY BELIEVES YOU DON'T NEED TRANSMISSION TO INTERCONNECT THE LOAD. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE, PARTICULARLY THOSE ARE SOME CO-LOCATED FACILITIES WITH GENERATION AND IN SOME CASES TRANSMISSION ISN'T NECESSARY. AND SO TIBA HAS CALLED FOR BOTH OF THOSE TO BE APPROVED SOONER IN THE ALTERNATIVE, WAITING UNTIL THE MIDDLE OR LATTER HALF OF NEXT YEAR. I DON'T ANTICIPATE GETTING AN ANSWER RIGHT AWAY ON THIS, BUT I DO WANT TO ELEVATE THIS ISSUE 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE TOP ISSUES THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED AT THAT GROUP AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT. OKAY, THANKS ERIC. NED, I'LL BE SUCCINCT. UM, FIRST OF ALL, ECHO ALL OF THE, THE PRAISE FOR THE WORK THAT, THAT YOU AND THE DEAN HAVE DONE. MATT, I THINK I TOLD YOU WHEN YOU TOOK UP THIS MANTLE, YOU'RE A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT JUMPING OUT OF THE REAL-TIME CO OPTIMIZATION FRYING PAN AND INTO THE, THE BATCH, UH, FIRE. SO, UH, HATS OFF TO YOU. UM, MAYBE YOU TAKE A KNEE, I I SPORTS ANALOGY. UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. I I WAS, I WAS THINKING ON THE FLY. HADN'T THOUGHT THAT ONE THROUGH TIME OUT. TIME OUT. YEAH. UM, OF COURSE. SO KIND OF DOVETAILING A LITTLE BIT OFF OF WHAT ERIC WAS SAYING AT THE END THERE. AND ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, MARK BRUCE MADE A, A I THINK A, A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZING ANY GAP IN PROCESS FOR WHAT COMES AFTER. I DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING MR. HAD IN THEIR PICKER 1 45 COMMENTS. UH, IS THE NET METERING ARRANGEMENTS SUBJECT TO PR 39 1 6 9 WILL STILL HAVE THE TIMELINE, THE STATUTORY TIMELINES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE. AND SO IT WILL BE, UH, ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PATH TO CONTINUE TO PROCESS THOSE. AND, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE RECOMMENDED CONTINUING TO KEEP THE LEGACY, UH, PROCESS OPEN FOR THEM. UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS AND UNTIL THE BATCH PROCESS IS ABLE TO PROCESS THOSE IN, IN A TIMELINE THAT WORKS FOR, FOR THAT STATUTORY DEADLINE. BUT THANKS. OKAY. THANKS NED. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MATT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MUCH. [13. ERCOT Report (Part 1 of 2)] OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO [01:35:01] CHANGE THE AGENDA SLIGHTLY AND GO AHEAD. UH, IT'S WAY AFTER 10 30. IT'S AFTER 11, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR RPG PROJECTS. GOOD MORNING. UM, THAT'S . I HAVE TWO RRP G PRESENTATIONS TODAY. UH, BEFORE I START, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE PRESENTATION, THIS ONE HERE, THE SOUTHERN DFW, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S BEEN UPDATED. UM, WE ARE USING ANALOGIES FOR THE SPORTS. IT'S MORE LIKE A BUZZER BEATER, BUT THERE IS NO, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE GAME KIND OF UPDATE. IT'S A MINOR UPDATE. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT SO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE OLD PRESENTATIONS. IF YOU UPDATE, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE NEW ONE. UH, THE UPDATE IS ON SLIDE 11. I'LL, I'LL, I'LL COVER THAT WHEN I GET THERE. SO THE FIRST PROJECT IS THE ENCORE SOUTHERN DFW LOADING COLLECTION AND THE GENERAL GRID, UH, STRENGTHENING PROJECT. UM, THIS IS A TIER ONE PROJECT. SO ONCORE SUBMITTED THIS PROJECT, UH, TO ADDRESS VARIOUS LAB D ISSUES IN THE SOUTHERN DFW FORT WORTH AREA. UM, SO THIS IS A, THIS ON TOP OF THIS IS A TIER ONE PROJECT, AND, UH, THIS HAS, UH, INITIAL COST OF, UH, $1.21 BILLION AND TO ADDRESS, AS I SAID, RELIABILITY ISSUES IN THE SOUTHERN DFW AND THE NORTH CENTRAL AREA. SO I WANNA SPEND SOME TIME HERE. UH, THE STUDY ASSUMPTIONS, AGAIN, THIS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, EARLY LAST YEAR, SOMETIME IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR. SINCE THEN, A LOT OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. SO I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT TIME ON THE STUDY ASSUMPTIONS BECAUSE, UM, THIS PRIMARILY THE, WE STARTED WITH THE 2024 RTP CASE. UH, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT IN 2025, UM, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF UPDATES. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UM, UPDATING THE LOADS IN THE, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO THE CONTEXT BEGAN THAT IT'S LIKE 2024. WE STARTED SEEING ALL THIS LARGE LOADS MAKE IT INTO THE MODEL. WE CAME UP WITH A LOT OF PROJECTS. AND, UH, 2025, RIGHT ABOUT THIS PROJECT WAS STARTED. WE GOT THE 2025 UPDATE WHERE WE MADE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THIS PROJECTION, INCLUDING THE AIRCRAFT ADJUSTED FORECAST THAT CHANGED SOME OF THE LOAD IN THIS AREA IN THIS PROJECT. AND WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE RT RPG REVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, WE HAVE TO GO BY WHAT'S IN THE CURRENT, UH, SUBSTANTIATED DEFINITION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIME, UH, SEVERAL MONTHS SPENT, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE TSPS AND UPDATING THE LOAD. SO AT THE END, UH, WE DECIDED TO USE FOUR GIGAWATTS OF LOAD IN THIS STUDY AREA, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S SIGNIFICANT OTHER LOADS IN OUTSIDE THE AREA. SO, UH, WE, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH UP UNTIL LIKE, UH, FIRST THREE, FOUR MONTHS, WE TOOK, UH, TIME TO BUILD THOSE MODELS, NOT ONLY THE LOAD, BUT ALSO UPDATE THE TRANSMISSION PROJECTS. THERE WERE A LOT OF PLACEHOLDER PROJECTS, WHICH CAME OUT OF 2024, UM, AND OTHER PROJECTS. SO SIGNIFICANT TIME WAS SPENT ON GETTING THE MODELS AND THE LOAD CORRECT FOR THIS, UH, STUDY STUDY REGION. SO IN ADDITION, AS NOTED, THERE'S 50 MEGAWATTS OF LOAD THAT WAS ADDED IN THE PROCESS. SO, UM, THAT ALL THOSE THINGS TOOK A SIGNIFICANT TIME, UM, BEFORE WE COULD START THE INTEGRATED REVIEW. OKAY, ALL, SO BASED ON THE STUDY MODELS, WE DID IDENTIFY SEVERAL RELI NEEDS. AS YOU SEE HERE, THERE ARE THERMAL VOLTAGE ISSUES AND EVEN UNSOLVED POWER FLOW ISSUES IN THE, IN THE STUDY AREA, DEPENDING ON WHAT CONTINGENCY IT IS. SO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THIS, UH, WE LOOKED AT, UH, SEVERAL OPTIONS. UH, WE CAME UP WITH THE MODIFIED OPTION THREE THAT ADDRESSED ALL THE LABORATORY STANDARD CRITERIA VIOLATIONS BASED ON THE TPL AND THEIR CO PLANNING GUIDE. SO OPTION THREE, UM, CONSISTS OF THREE PARTS. SO HERE I WANNA PAUSE HERE AND AGAIN TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHAT THIS OPTION IS. UM, BASICALLY THIS OPTION IS ENCORE PROPOSED OPTION, WHICH IS THE BASE FOR THE DFW RELIABILITY NETS. WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS RELIABILITY NEED, WE DID IDENTIFIED, UM, ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE AREA, THE DFW AREA. SO, BUT THIS PROJECT IS SPECIFICALLY GOES ON THE, ON THE SOUTH DFW. SO WE DID IDENTIFY WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS GOING THROUGH INDEPENDENT RE REVIEW, UM, SOMETIME AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS SUBMITTED FOR THIS. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE DFW, [01:40:01] BUT THERE WERE OTHER PROJECTS SUBMITTED IN THE DFW AREA. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE RELIABILITY ISSUES, WE DID IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS SUBMITTED IN, UH, RIGHT ABOUT THE NUMBER 20, 25 TIMEFRAME. UM, THOSE HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES IN THIS AREA. SO WE TRIED TO MOVE THOSE PARTS OF PROJECTS. A COUPLE OF PROJECTS HIGHLIGHTED HERE, THE ENCORE, UH, LONE STAR NAVARRO TO ELLIS AREA PROJECT. THAT WAS A SEPARATE PROJECT SUBMITTED IN NUMBER OF 2025. AND SUBSEQUENTLY ENCORE ALSO SUBMITTED THIS SET ONE SET TO NORTH, NORTH CENTRAL PROJECT RELIABILITY PROJECT. UM, THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED HERE. THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LOT OF UPGRADES, EXISTING UPGRADES, UM, MOSTLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE NORTH, NORTH CENTRAL AREA. BUT PARTS OF THAT PROJECT ALSO HELPED ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES IDENTIFIED IN THE SOUTH DFW PROJECT. SO THOSE PROJECTS WERE ALSO COMBINED WITH THIS PROJECT. SO WHAT I, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE IS THERE IS THREE PARTS ENCORE'S BASE PROJECT PLUS THIS, UM, ENCORE LONE STAR PROJECT, WHICH IS A 3 45 KV NEW LINE PLUS. THE LAST SET IS PARTS OF THIS SET. ONE SET TO NORTH CENTRAL RELIABILITY PROJECT WAS ALSO ADDED TO ADDRESS THE RELIABILITY ISSUES IDENTIFIED HERE. SO THE SCOPE, UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT GREW AS WE STARTED, UH, PERFORMING THIS RELIABILITY ASSESSMENT. AND AS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS, WE PROVIDED UPDATES TO RPG. UH, WE STARTED THE STUDY SOMETIME IN JUNE, JULY TIMEFRAME, AND WE PROVIDED TWO UPDATES, AND I THINK WE HAVE, WE PROVIDED ANOTHER UPDATE IN 2025 WHEN WE FINALIZED, WHEN WE SAW THIS OTHER PROJECTS. AND A COUPLE OF UPDATES IN THIS YEAR, JANUARY AND MARCH, THE FINAL UPDATE. SO LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A COMPARISON OF THE OPTION. OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO ARE MORE TALKING ABOUT THE BASE OPTION PLUS SOME OF THE, UH, PROJECT ELEMENTS TO IDENTIFY THE, UH, PROCESS ELECTRIC CO-OP. SO THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE IN COST, UM, BUT OPTION THREE IS THE ONE WHICH COMBINES ALL THE THREE OPTIONS. SO YOU WOULD SEE THE COST INITIALLY. UH, AGAIN, THERE IS SOME NUMBERS I WANNA POINT HERE. UH, THE, THE OPTION ONE 12 POINT, I MEAN $1.248 BILLION, UH, IS A REVISED UPDATED COST COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL PROJECT WHERE IT WAS SUBMITTED AS LIKE 1.211 BILLION. SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A CHANGE HERE FOR THE BASE OPTION BASED ON THE UPDATES PROVIDED BY ENCORE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT OPTION TWO, THERE'S ANOTHER $18 MILLION THAT PROJECT IS NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE, THE SPECIFIC 50 MEGAWATTS OF LOAD ADDED IN THE BROWSER ELECTRIC THAT HIGHLIGHTED. SO OPTION TWO IS MORE LIKE THE OPTION ONE PLUS $18 MILLION FOR THE BC PROJECT. AND OPTION THREE IS THE COMBINED COST OF OPTION ONE TWO PLUS, UM, YOUR, THE PARTS OF THE OTHER RPG PROJECTS, WHICH I'LL COVER IN THE LATER SLIDE. SO IN TERMS OF PROJECT REQUIREMENTS, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THIS, THIS TIER ONE PROJECT A HUNDRED MILLION WAY OR A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT IS WE WILL PRESENT IT TO THE T FOR REVIEW ON COMMENTS AND ANY COMMENTS FROM TAX WILL BE INCLUDED IN OUR PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD. AGAIN, UH, SUB SYNCHRONOUS RESONANCE, WE DID PERFORM THIS ANALYSIS, UH, FOR THE FINAL OPTION AND WE DID NOT, UH, SEE ANY ISSUES, ADVERSE ISSUES WITH THE SSR FOR THE EXISTING IMPLANT GENERATIONS, INCLUDING THE, THE STUDY. UM, AGAIN, THE SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS AND THE CONGESTION ANALYSIS, UH, DID NOT DO A, UM, DID NOT FIND ANYTHING, ANY ISSUES WITH THE, UH, WITH BOTH THE ANALYSIS HERE. OKAY, SO THIS PART, AGAIN, THERE IS A LOT, LOT OF PROJECTS. UM, PART OF, UH, DFW, WE DID PERFORM A, A DYNAMIC STABILITY ASSESSMENT AS PART OF THE RPG REVIEW, UH, WHERE WE INCLUDED LOADS IN THE STUDY AREA AND STARTED LOOKED AT, UH, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL CONTINGENCIES, UM, BOTH IN THE ENCORE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. AND BASED ON THAT, UH, DYNAMIC ASSESSMENT, WE DID NOT SEE ANY ADVERSE DYNAMIC IMPACT AS THE RESULT OF IMPLEMENTING THIS OPTION THREE. SO HERE'S THE, THE SLIDE I TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE MADE THE CHANGE, UH, COMPARED TO WHAT WAS POSTED EARLIER. SO, UM, BASED ON OUR REVIEW, ERCOT IS GOING TO RECOMMEND OPTION THREE AS THE PREFERRED OPTION, UH, TO ADDRESS THE SOUTH DFW AND THE NORTH CENTRAL AND THE EAST WEATHER ZONES. AS, AS I SAID, THE, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT INCREASED AND THE EXPECTED IN-SERVICE DATE. THERE IS A LOT OF PARTS OF THIS PROJECT. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPENDIX, YOU, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR PAGES [01:45:01] OF UPGRADES LISTED THERE. UM, THE, THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION TIMES START VARIES BETWEEN MAY, 2026 TO ALL THE WAY TO APRIL 20TH, 2033, DEPENDING ON, UM, THE PROJECTS, THE CN REQUIREMENT AND ALL THOSE, THE ESTIMATED COST IS $2.886 MILLION. THIS NUMBER DID NOT CHANGE IN THE SLIDE. THE OVERALL COST REMAIN THE SAME. UH, BUT THE PARTS BELOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PART OF THE ENCORE TO LONE STAR, UM, THAT ESTIMATE IS $856.228 MILLION. UM, THE PREVIOUS VERSION, IT WAS MARKED AT 900 $900 MILLION. THAT'S, UH, THAT'S AN UPDATE THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE REPORT. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THIS CARRIED OVER FROM THE RPG PRESENTATION. SO WE UPDATED THOSE NUMBERS AND THE SET ONE, SET TWO PROJECT PORTION OF THE SET ONE, SET TWO PROJECT CARRIED OVER TO THIS EVALUATION, UH, TURNS OUT TO BE LIKE $763 MILLION. UH, YOU ALL KNOW WE PROVIDED AN UPDATE LAST RPG MEETING STILL, WE ARE DOING THE SET ONE, SET TWO, UH, PROJECTS, THE NORTH, NORTH CENTRAL CENTRAL PROJECT REVIEW SEPARATELY, BUT PORTIONS OF THAT ARE ALREADY CAPTURED IN HERE AND WE WON'T DO A, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE OTHER PROJECT. RIGHT? SO, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PAUSE HERE. WE, AFTER, AFTER I COVER THIS, I'LL PAUSE HERE TO SEE IF, UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF, A LOT OF UPGRADES. UM, SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES ARE TO THE EXISTING FACILITIES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE NUMBER OF UPGRADES, LIKE IN TERMS OF NEW SUBSTATIONS, THERE ARE 2 3 45 KB, 1 38, 2 NEW 3 45 KB SUBSTATION, TWO NEW, 1 38. AND THERE'S ALSO SEVERAL REACTIVE SUPPORT, UH, BOTH THE SATCOM AND CAP BANKS ADDED AT THOSE SUBSTATIONS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS ALSO REBUILT OF EXISTING SUBSTATIONS 5 3 45 KB, UH, 1 3 45, 1 38 KV SWITCH SWITCHING STATION. AND THE PART OF CONSTRUCTION, SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL NEW 3 48 KV, 1 38 KV LINES. UM, HERE WHAT YOU SEE IS THE APPROXIMATE CIRCUIT MILES, BUT THE CCN MILES ARE DIFFERENT. UH, CIRCUIT MILES IS 218 MILES OF 3 45 KV, UM, EIGHT MILES OF NEW, 1 38 KV. AND WHEN YOU GO LOOK AT THE EXISTING UPGRADES, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 400 MILES OF 3 45 KV EXISTING SYSTEM UPGRADES, AND 73 MILES OF 1 38 KB UPGRADE. SO APPENDIX B GIVES YOU ALL THE DETAILS. WE TRY TO COVER SOME OF THOSE HIGHLIGHTS IN THE, UM, IN THE RPG MEETING, WHICH WE HAD LIKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. BUT I'M GONNA PAUSE HERE. UM, IF YOU, IF I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL JUST BRING THIS SLIDE HERE. IT SHOWS KIND OF THE STUDY AREA AND SOME OF THE UPGRADES ON THE RECOMMENDED PROJECT, BUT IF YOU GO FURTHER DOWN IN APPENDIX B, YOU HAVE ALL THIS, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS. SO, UH, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'LL, I'LL STOP HERE. OKAY, SO CAN WE TAKE SOME QUESTIONS? I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO GO UP, BUT LET'S TAKE, WE HAVE SOME AHEAD OF YOU. BETH, LET'S GO TO KEVIN HANSON. YES, SLIDE THREE. UM, HOW MUCH OF THAT FOUR GIGAWATTS OF LARGE LOADS ARE APPROVED CURRENTLY BY ERCOT? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS ALL THE LOADS THAT ONCORE SUBMITTED, WHICH MEETS THE SUBSTANTIATED LOAD DEFINITION. SO I'LL PROBABLY SEE IF ENCORE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SORRY, SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. UM, SO KEVIN, THIS IS MARTHA HENSON SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF ENCORE. UM, THE CUSTOMERS ADDRESSED BY THIS PROJECT, UH, SOME OF THEM HAD INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENTS EXECUTED AT THE TIME WE SUBMITTED THE PROJECT, WHICH WAS FEBRUARY OF 2025. UM, THEY'VE CONTINUED AS A GROUP TO MAKE FORWARD PROGRESS TOWARDS TAKING SERVICE. AND SINCE WE SUBMITTED THE PROJECT, UM, ALL OF THE CUSTOMERS ADDRESSED IN THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION OF THE RPG SUBMISSION HAVE CONTRACTS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY FINANCIAL SECURITY THAT THEY PROVIDED TO ENCORE. ARE THEY CONSIDERED INTERCONNECTED? ARE THEY CONSIDERED FIRM LOAD BY ERCOT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, KEVIN. THEY ALL HAVE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE SECURITIZED BY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT ENCORE IS HOLDING TO GET CUSTOMERS SERVICE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF BU YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, GO BACK AGAIN THROUGH THE PRE-AP APRIL 1ST, 2026 RPGS AND WHAT CRITERIA THOSE ARE OPERATING UNDER RIGHT NOW VERSUS RPG SUBMITTED APRIL 1ST AND BEYOND. MAYBE THAT'S HELPFUL HERE. YEAH, SURE. SO FROM, FROM AN ERCOT PERSPECTIVE, SO UNTIL APRIL 1ST, WE ARE USING THE CURRENT DEFINITION [01:50:01] OF SUBSTANTIATED LOAD, RIGHT APRIL 1ST IS ONE, WE EXPECT TO GET THIS NEW LOAD FORECAST FOR THE 2026 RTP AND MOVING FORWARD WE WOULD USE ANY PROJECT SUBMITTED AFTER THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, ALIGN WITH WHAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE APRIL 1ST, UH, OR THE 2026 RTP. SO IN OUR, FOR OUR PROCESS, THIS IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. SO THE SUBSTANTIATED LOAD DEFINITION WAS USED, ALL THOSE LOADS THAT MET THE CRITERIA THEY WERE DISPATCHED AT, LIKE MODELED A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT AS FIRM LOAD IN THE TRANSMISSION PLANNING STUDY. OKAY, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I GUESS ONE FOLLOW UP COMMENT, JUST IN GENERAL, JUST FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT BASED ON THE OUTCOME AND THE DECISIONS FROM PROJECT 5 8 4 8 4 AT THE PUC IN THE FUTURE, THEORETICALLY THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THIS FOUR GIGAWATTS OF LARGE LOAD, WOULD WE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING THE FULL $3 BILLION FOR THE PROJECT? SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION, ONCE THEY'RE GIVEN A CHECK, HERE'S YOUR BILL, $3 BILLION, WILL THEY STAY AS WANTING TO INTERCONNECT TO THE SYSTEM OR NOT? SO THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT. OKAY, THANKS KEVIN. LET'S GO TO BILL BARNES. THANKS BU A COUPLE QUESTIONS. UH, I KNOW IN THE BATCH STUDIES, ERCOT IS REQUIRING A NO SOLAR CASE. IS THAT ALSO, UH, INCLUDED IN THE STUDY ASSUMPTIONS OR, UH, CASES FOR, UH, THIS IN THESE ONGOING RPG PROJECTS AS WELL? YEAH, IT'S FOR, FOR NOW IT'S, UH, IT'S MORE AREA SPECIFIC. WHEREVER WE HAVE LIKE MORE RELIES ON MORE SOLAR, WE TRY TO DO THAT MORE FOR THE WESTERN FOREST AND OTHER AREAS. BUT I THINK WE ARE INCORPORATING THAT AS PART OF THE RTP TOO. SO THIS PROJECT, MOST OF THE ELEMENTS WERE IDENTIFIED IN 2024 AND 2025 RTP, AND WE DID LOOK AT THOSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, NO SOLAR CONDITIONS AS PART OF THAT, UH, ANALYSIS OR LOW SOLAR CONDITIONS. AND THEN, UM, TURNING TO THE FIGURE ONE THREE, I I'M SORRY, I I WHAT YOU SAID, I WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY. I'M NOT SURE IF I HEARD LOW OR NO SOLAR. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU ANSWERED THAT. YEAH, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR IT. IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSITIONING BECAUSE AS I SAID, DEPENDING ON THE STUDY AREA, WE MAKE DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS. SO I WANNA BE CAREFUL. THERE ARE SOME AREAS WE STUDY LIKE NO SOLAR, BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS WE WOULD STUDY LIKE LOW SOLAR CONDITIONS. SO, SO I'M, I'M SORRY. SO FOR THIS STUDY, WAS THERE ANY EVALUATION OF A NO NN NO SOLAR CASE I THINK WAS BILL'S QUESTION. YEAH, I, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT, BUT I CAN CALL A FRIEND , I BELIEVE. UM, ROBERT IS ON THE CALL. UM, SORRY ROBERT, CAN I, NO, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. UH, YEAH, THIS IS ROBERT COLE FROM THE, UH, FOR THIS EVALUATION. WE DID NOT STUDY NO SOLAR, UH, EVALUATION FOR THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, RPG PROJECT. THANK YOU ROBERT. AND, AND AS I SAID, AS PART OF THE RP PG, WE DO RTP, WE DO STUDY THOSE CONDITIONS AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S EVOLVING. WE ARE STUDYING MORE OF THE NOSE SOLAR CONDITIONS AS WE MOVE INTO THE, INTO THE CURRENT RTP CYCLE AND THE R PG CYCLE. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN A FEW QUESTIONS AROUND THE, UH, FIGURE 1 27 PROCESS. I SEE YOUR LAST BULLET, WHICH IS A LITTLE SURPRISING TO ME IF I'M INTERPRETING IT CORRECTLY, IS THAT YOU HAD TO ACTUALLY TURN OFF GENERATION TO BALANCE POWER OR WAS THAT TO RESOLVE, UH, TRANSMISSION SECURITY VIOLATIONS? YEAH, THIS IS BECAUSE WE WERE STUDYING LIKE THE 20 24, 20 25 RTP, WE ADDED GENERATION THAT DID NOT MEET THE 6.91 CRITERIA. WE ADDED ADDITIONAL GENERATION THAT WAS BEYOND THE, BEYOND THE CRITERIA. SO THIS PROJECT, WHEN YOU'RE STUDYING LOCAL AREA, WE, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO BACK DOWN THOSE GENERATION. SO THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DONE HERE. SO WE REMOVED THOSE GENERATION FOR THAT STUDY. SO YOU ADDED MORE GENERATION THAN WHAT YOU NEEDED. I GUESS WHAT, THE WAY I WAS INTERPRETING HOW FIGURE 1 27 WORKS IS YOU'LL BASICALLY ADD GENERATION UP TO THE POINT SO THAT YOU CAN MEET POWER BALANCE, AND YES, YOU'RE NOT GOING BEYOND THAT, SO YOU WOULD NEVER BE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO SHUT THEM DOWN TO GET THE MODELS TO SOLVE. SO THAT, THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION LIES. AND ALSO I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL GOING FORWARD WHENEVER WE, UM, GET PRESENTED WITH TRANSMISSION PROJECTS LIKE THAT. IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY HOW MUCH GENERATION WAS ADDED, [01:55:01] UM, THROUGH THE PI 1 27 PROCESS AS A BULLET, I THINK IT JUST, IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO KNOW THAT YEAH, THAT, THAT INFORMATION IS IN THE DETAILED REPORT. IT IS. OKAY, GREAT. SO YEAH, WE, WE DO ADD THOSE THINGS IN THE APPENDIX. I'M NOT SURE IF IT IT'S IN THIS PRESENTATION. YEAH, THAT'S IN THE REPORT. AND THEN JUST GENERAL STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HEAR FROM ME ON ALL OF THESE LARGE TRANSMISSION PROJECTS, WHICH THE NEED IS APPARENT, UH, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS, BUT IT ALSO EMPHASIZES HOW IMPORTANT THE TRANSMISSION COST ALLOCATION PROJECT THAT THE COMMISSION IS IN TERMS OF HOW WE REFORM WHO PAYS FOR THIS AND HOW, I KNOW THERE'S ALSO IDEAS IN FLIGHT ON MINIMUM DEMAND CHARGES. I THINK THOSE DESERVE CONSIDERATION AS WELL. BUT JUST FOR EVERYONE'S ATTENTION, LIKE THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT, WE NEED MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE ALSO, IT'S JUST AS IMPORTANT THAT WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE THOSE COSTS AMONGST ALL CONSUMERS. THANKS. THANKS BILL. CLAYTON GREER? YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE FIVE, UH, SUBSTATION REBUILDS, WAS THAT RELATED TO THEM BEING LINE BUSES AND NEEDING TO BE CONVERTED TO BREAKER AND A HALF OR WAS THAT DUE TO FAULT CURRENT OR SOME, SOME OTHER CAUSE I'M SORRY CLAYTON, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. COULD THE, THE REBUILDS, UH, SORRY, IT'S SIX EXISTING SUBSTATIONS, UM, WERE THAT, WERE THOSE DUE TO THEM BEING LINE BUS SETUPS NOW THAT NEEDED TO BE CONVERTED TO BREAKER AND A HALF? OR WERE THOSE RELATED TO FAULT CURRENT OR SOME OTHER NEED TO, TO UPGRADE THEM? I SEE ENCORE WANTS TO TAKE THE QUESTION. SO YEAH, GO. YEAH, ENCORE, UH, CLAYTON, THOSE HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, UPBRINGING THE STATION TO 5,000 AMPS. SO IT'S NOT THE SHORT CIRCUITED QUITE, BUT THE, UH, GETTING THE AMPACITY ON THE LINES. OKAY. IS IT BREAKERS ONLY OR IS IT BREAKERS AND BUS? SO MOST OF THESE STATIONS YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE BREAKERS AND BUS TO MEET THE 5,000 AMP, UH, CAPABILITY. SO IT'S FULL STATION REBUILD, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. YEAH. AND HAVE WE HAVE, I GUESS AS A PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED TO SEE THIS EXTENDED OUT TO 2033, BUT IS A PART OF THAT THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE OUTAGES ON THOSE SUBSTATIONS? Y YEAH, SO EACH STATION WILL BE DIFFERENT. UM, SOME, SOME PLACES WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD THIS NEW STATION ON THE SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO EXPAND THE STATION. SO THERE'S NOT ONE ANSWER TO, UM, THAT QUESTION. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN ON THE, UH, COST THAT KEVIN BROUGHT UP, AND BILL KIND OF CONFIRMED THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR THE ALLOCATION PIECE AND I, AND I AGREE THAT THE, UH, THE FOUR CP UH, SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY UPGRADED, BUT WHENEVER WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TYPE OF ALLOCATION THAT WE'RE SEEING IN, UM, 5 8, 4 8 1, IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU HOW SQUIRRELLY THIS CAN BE. WHENEVER YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF THIS FOR, FOR, I THINK IT WAS 2.1 GIGS IS, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN ONE HALF OF THE PRICE TO ADD JUST 600 MORE MEGAWATTS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE IN THIS, YOU AS A LOAD, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO, JUST STOP AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE 1.2 BILLION, DON'T DO THE TWO, THE ADDITIONAL $1.6 BILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS, BUT YOU MAY BE ASSIGNED, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT JUST BECAUSE THIS, UH, THIS IDEA THAT, BUT FOR YOU THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED ALL THIS. SO, UM, I THINK THAT WE GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THAT ALLOCATION IS MANAGED. THANKS. OKAY, BETH, SO, UM, IT SHOULD COME AS NO SURPRISE. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND I APPRECIATE CARSINE HERE IN IN PERSON TO, TO HELP ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. UM, BUT I'M GONNA START WITH YOU PBU, AND ROBERT, YOU'RE ON THE PHONE. I'M GONNA HOLLER AT YOU AS WELL. UM, THE, LET ME JUST A, I'LL ASK IT AS A QUESTION. WHEN WAS THE FIRST INDICATION THAT THE OPTION FOR THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO BE TO BLOW IT UP TO INCLUDE TWO OTHER RPG PROJECTS? UM, I KNOW I LISTENED TO THE JANUARY RPG MEETING AND I LISTENED TO THE FEBRUARY RPG MEETING, AND I DON'T RECALL IT BEING DISCUSSED AT EITHER OF THOSE. UM, MY FIRST I HEARD OF IT WAS, YOU CALLED IT TWO WEEKS AGO, IT WAS EIGHT DAYS AGO. ON THE 17TH WAS THE, THE MOST RECENT RPG MEETING WHERE THIS PROJECT WAS NOTICED AS A PROJECT UPDATE AS IT HAS BEEN FOR THE YEAR THAT IT'S BEEN OPEN, NOTICED AS A PROJECT UPDATE, AND DURING THE MEETING WAS INFORMED, OH, HERE'S ER O'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GONNA TURN THIS INTO A $2.8 BILLION PROJECT AND, UM, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAC NEXT WEEK AND THE [02:00:01] BOARD, UH, IN APRIL. UM, MAKE ME FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT OR JUST SAY YOU'RE SORRY AND I'LL DO BETTER GOING FORWARD. I'LL, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. SO THERE IS, SO THIS PROJECT, THE TIMELINE I HAVE TO SAY IS SOMETIME IN JANUARY IS ONE WEEK. I MEAN, WE, WE RECEIVED THOSE OTHER TWO PROJECTS, AS I SAID, IN NUMBER OF LAST YEAR, RIGHT? SO UNTIL THEN, THIS PROJECTS WERE NOT IN THE, OR NOT SUBMITTED TO RPG. SO NUMBER IS WHEN YOU RECEIVE THIS ENCORE NAVARRO PROJECT ENCORE, UH, LONE STAR PROJECT, AND THEN YOU GOT THE OTHER PROJECT. SO THOSE PROJECTS WENT THROUGH THEIR OWN TIMELINE, THE COMMON SPACE AND THINGS. SO WE WAITED TILL LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEE WHETHER THERE ARE COMPETING PROJECTS TO ALTERNATE THE COMMON WE RECEIVED. SO ONCE WE DO THAT, ONCE WE DID THAT, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHETHER THOSE PROJECTS WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES I IDENTIFIED IN THIS PROJECT. SO THAT HAPPENED SOMETIME END OF THE YEAR JANUARY TIMEFRAME. SO OBVIOUSLY IF WE DID HAVE AN UPDATE IN, IN JANUARY, IN, IN JANUARY, I THINK THE DFW AND SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND WE, WE MADE THIS, UH, FINAL RECOMMENDATION IN MARCH, JANUARY. WE DID HIGHLIGHT THAT WE WILL MAKE THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION IN IN MARCH. UM, SO COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE ON THOSE OTHER PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO IN TERMS OF RPG REVIEW, THE, THE AREA MEANING THE LOAD GROWTH IN THE AREA, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HAPPENING, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND WE ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE ALL THE PROJECTS THAT'S SUBMITTED ARE REVIEWED. AND IF THERE ARE WAYS TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS, WE TRY TO DO THAT AND MAKE THE RIGHT RECOMMENDATION. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WE MAKE SURE LIKE WE DO THE DUE DILIGENCE ON LIKE ALL THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE COVERED FOR RPG AND THEN WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. I HEAR YOUR FRUSTRATION, BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS LIKE BROADER CONTEXT, RIGHT? SO WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF RPG IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAST FEW YEARS, SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PROJECTS, INCLUDING LAST YEAR THERE WAS LIKE 13 TIER ONE PROJECTS, NINE TIER TWO PROJECTS, AND ALL THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, ALL WE WE'RE JUGGLING A LOT, A LOT OF PROJECT RPG. YOU COME THERE, YOU WILL SEE IT'S LIKE 12 TO 15 PROJECT UPDATES EVERY RPG. SO ALL THOSE THINGS PUTS A STRAIN ON THE PROCESS. I WISH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN, BUT WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE, TAKE A BALANCE BETWEEN LIKE WHETHER WE COMPLETE THE ANALYSIS ON TIME. OF COURSE SOMETIMES SOME OF THIS TAKE UNTIL LAST MINUTE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE DON'T WANNA MISS THE OPPORTUNITY OF TAKING PROJECTS TO THE APPROPRIATE BOARD AND, YOU KNOW, TAG SO THAT'S THE KEY, BECAUSE YOU HEARD FROM THIS BODY AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE LOADS. UM, AS I HIGHLIGHTED HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF LOADS. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THINGS WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED IN 20 24, 20 25 RTPS. RIGHT. AND, AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE CRITIC CRITICIZED US SAYING LIKE, THIS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR AND IT'S TAKEN, YOU KNOW, TILL NOW. BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF, UH, STRIKING THE BALANCE. SO, UM, I WILL, I MEAN, I, I, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, YEAH. WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I APPRECIATE FOR STAKEHOLDERS, I APPRECIATE THE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. LARGE VOLUME OF VERY COMPLEX WORK THAT IS HAVING TO BE DONE. I, I, I, I COMMEND YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR THE ABILITY TO JUST PROCESS THIS. AND I KNOW THIS PROJECT IS ONE THAT, THAT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME AND I'M, I'M, I KNOW EVERYONE IS HAPPY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION AND MOVE THAT FORWARD. SO I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, UH, ROBERT, YOU'RE ON THE PHONE. SO I'M GONNA GET YOU TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. 'CAUSE YOU, I EMAILED YOU DURING THE MEETING AND SAID, HEY, ON FUTURE, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING THE AGENDA, UM, COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT WHEN IS ERCOT IS READY FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR AGENDA NOTICE GOING FORWARD? YOU TOLD ME IN AN EMAIL THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT GOING FORWARD. AND IF YOU COULD SAY THAT AGAIN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AS WELL. UH, YES. THIS IS ROBERT GOLD FROM ERCOT. UM, YES, WE, WE TOOK THAT CONSIDERATION. UM, I'M CURRENTLY PUTTING TOGETHER THE AGENDA FOR THE APRIL RPG MEETING. UH, WE ARE WORKING TO REVISE THE AGENDA ITEM LABELS, UH, TO BE CLEARER THAT IF THIS IS A FINAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN THE AGENDA AND IN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF. UM, SO THAT WE WILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE, UH, TO ALL STAKEHOLDERS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. PERFECT. [02:05:01] BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME KEY, THERE'S SOME BIG PROJECTS COMING FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION NEXT MONTH AS WELL. SO HAVING THAT JUST SIMPLE AGENDA MANAGEMENT ACTIVITY IS SO VALUABLE. SO I'VE POUNDED THAT ONE ENOUGH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OTHER ISSUES THAT I THINK ARE ENCORE TO ANSWER. SO I'M GONNA LOOK TO THE OTHER, IN MY, IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. MY FIRST QUESTION IS JUST, IT'S GONNA SOUND SNARKY, BUT IT'S TRUE OR SINCERE. WHAT WORK CAN POSSIBLY BE ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE MAY 20, MAY OF THIS YEAR, UM, IN SIX WEEKS? WHAT PART OF THIS PROJECT CAN ACTUALLY BE, BE COMPLETED AND WHY ARE WE STILL SHOWING A MAY 26TH COMPLETION FOR PORSCHE? SO, I'M NOT SURE. UM, SO, SO WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE RPG, THE IN-SERVICE STATE FOR THE FULL PROJECT IS DECEMBER 20, 28. SOME OF THE PROJECTS INCLUDED HERE ARE NEUTRAL PROJECTS SUCH AS JUST CONSTRUCTING A NEW STATION TO SERVE A NEW LOAD. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LOADS THAT ARE ENERGIZING IN MAY, 2026. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. OKAY. BUT A LOT OF THE LINE REBUILDS AND MAJOR SWITCHING STATION UPGRADES, THEY'LL BE HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS. OKAY. SO THAT, SO THERE IS ACTUALLY SOME WORK THAT'S HAPPENING AND THAT WILL BE FINE, MINOR, VERY MINOR WORK, BUT THERE, THERE'S SOME STATIONS BEING CONSTRUCTED. I THANK YOU FOR THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT CLARIFICATION, AS PART OF THE, THIS A REALLY BIG SORT OF EXPANSIVE PROJECT, UM, AND MANY OF THE LINE UPGRADES, UM, WHAT WE DOING, WE WERE UPGRADING ALMOST 400 MILES OF 3 45 KB LINES. SO MY FIRST, MY FIRST AND SIMPLE QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU SAY UPGRADING LINES, I ASSUME YOU'RE THINKING THAT'S NEW STRUCTURES AND NEW CONDUCTOR? CORRECT. OKAY. UH, SO IT, IT, IT CAN BE A COMBINATION, UH, UM, IN THIS INSTANCE, MOST OF THE WORK IS, UH, REBUILD. OKAY. AND, AND TO, TO PICK ON A, ON A THEME THAT I KNOW MY FRIEND ERIC GOFF HAS, HAS, HAS ASKED OR WORKED ON. SO AS PART OF UPGRADING LINES, WHAT DID ENCORE GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION OF, IF YOU'VE GOT A, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADVANCED CONDUCTORS THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, FORCE STALL OR PUT OFF ANY OF THAT STRUCTURE UPGRADE? IS THAT AN EVALUATION THAT ENCORE WENT THROUGH? I SAW NO MENTION OF IT IN YOUR INITIAL PROJECT SUBMISSION, NO MENTION OF IT IN ERCOT WORK. IS THAT A CONSIDERATION AT ALL FOR ANY OF THIS WORK? Y YEAH, SO WE ROUTINELY LOOK AT ADVANCED CONDUCTORS. I THINK THE GREAT APPLICATION FOR THOSE CONDUCTORS IS WHEN YOU HAVE A LINE WITH STRUCTURES THAT ARE RELATIVELY NEW, 10, 20 YEARS OLD, AND YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURES ARE CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE OTHER CONDUCTOR WHEN YOU, AND YOU CAN JUST RE CONDUCTOR THE LINE, THE LINES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE UPGRADED ON THIS SLIDE, MOST OF THEM ARE 50 YEARS OLD, 60 YEARS OLD. SO WHEN YOU TRY TO RE CONDUCTOR THOSE, YOU END UP REBUILDING THE WHOLE LINE ANYWAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE NOT PROPOSING SUPERCONDUCTORS OR ADVANCED CONDUCTORS IN THIS PROJECT. THAT INFORMATION IS NOT INFORMATION THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND IN EITHER ENCORE'S INITIAL PROJECT SUBMITTAL OR IN ANY OF THE, IN, IN ANY OF THE MATERIALS I WAS ABLE TO REVIEW. SO THE, THE AGE OF THE LINE IS SUPER IMPORTANT. SHOUT OUT TO A EP AND THEIR BIG MULTIPLE BILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS, THEY, THEY PUT THAT IN THEIR REPORT. SO PICK THAT UP. TSPS IS A, IS SOMETHING TO BE INCLUDED. UM, AND MARTHA, I APPRECIATE YOUR EARLIER COMMENT ON THE LOADS AND WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WHEN THIS WAS SUBMITTED A YEAR AGO, ABOUT HALF OF THAT FOUR GIGAWATTS WAS UNDER CONTRACT. AND WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS THEY'RE ALL UNDER CONTRACT NOW, GOING A LITTLE SURPRISE POP QUIZ HERE ON THE, THE, WHAT IS IT, THE NAVARRO PROJECT THAT GOT ROLLED INTO THIS. WERE THERE ADDITIONAL LOADS THAT WERE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THAT RPG PROJECT THAT ARE NOW BEING IGNORED BY THIS BIG COMBINATION? THAT'S, IT'S A TRICK QUESTION AND I JUST CAME UP WITH IT, SO YOU HAVE TO THINK OF IT. SO I I, I'LL START MAYBE, UH, ONCO CAN JUMP. SO FROM, FROM THE ANALYSIS PERSPECTIVE, ONE, AS I SAID, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS ENCORE PROJECT, THE BASE PROJECT, WE DID IDENTIFY THE ISSUES OUTSIDE THE STUDY AREA. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO BACK TO THE, MY, I I RECALL THE, THE, THE, I MEAN, HIGHLIGHTED THE DIFFERENCES IN ALL THE STUDIES THAT'S BEEN DONE, WHICH PROMPTED SOME OF THE PROJECTS 2024 RTP YEAH. HAD A LOAD ASSUMPTION. 2025 RTP HAD A DIFFERENT DIFFERENT LOAD ASSUMPTION. AND WE HAVE A PROJECT HERE SUBMITTED FOR LIKE, ALL THESE PROJECTS BASED ON EITHER 2024 OR 2025. SO THAT WHAT WE DID IS COMPARE ALL THOSE LOAD FORECAST WITH THE STUDY AREA, WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT IN THE RTP AND MAKE SURE THE NEED EXISTS. RIGHT. COMPARED TO ALL THE STUDIES, LIKE NOT JUST LIKE, WE ARE NOT RELYING ON JUST THE 20 24, 20 25. IF, IF WE DIDN'T FIND THE PROJECT IN 2025, WE MADE SURE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED EXISTS EXISTED IN THE RPG, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ARE COMPARING THE LOADS. SO THIS RPG IS KIND OF A WAY TO RESOLVE [02:10:01] THOSE LOAD DIFFERENCES. THAT'S FROM THE LOAD PERSPECTIVE. I, I'LL PROBABLY WAIT FOR ENCORE TO PROVIDE MORE UPDATES ON LIKE WHAT PORTION OF THE LOAD IS COMMITTED. I MEAN, MARTHA ALREADY DID, BUT YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND IF ENCORE'S GOT AN ADDITIONAL OR DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, LOVE TO HEAR IT AS WELL. YEAH. SO THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SET ONES AND LONE STAR PROJECT, THOSE WERE MEANT TO SERVE LOADS THAT WERE IN 2020 FOR RTP. OKAY. SO WHEN ONCOR DID THE STUDY, WE ONLY IDENTIFIED WHAT WERE ORIGINAL SUB INDICATED, AND THEN THESE OTHER PROJECTS ARE BEING ADDED. SO NATURALLY THOSE WILL BE PART OF SERVING ADDITIONAL LOAD IN THE SAME AREA. SO THIS IS A STEP FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OKAY, FAIR ENOUGH. AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU COULD FLIP BACK, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, FLIP BACK TO YOUR SUMMARY MATRIX SLIDE WHERE IT SHOWS HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL THE OPTION COMPARISON MATRIX THAT YOU, YOU TYPICALLY PROVIDE AS PER BOOT. THIS ONE, THE, THAT, UH, IMPROVES LONG-TERM SERVING, UH, LOAD SERVING CAPABILITY. AND THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE ACTUAL MEGAWATTS. I I KNOW I'VE PINGED YOU ON THAT AS WELL. UM, THAT 2,900 MEGAWATTS OF ADDITIONAL LOAD THAT'S BE BEYOND THE FOUR GIGAWATTS THAT'S EMBEDDED IN THIS ASSUMPTION, CORRECT? AM I, YEAH, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY, SORRY. YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE TRANSFER CAPABILITY, WE LOOK AT THE INCREMENTAL TRANSFER CAPABILITY USUALLY. OKAY. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THAT'S, IT'S A, IT'S AN INDICATION OF WHAT CAN BE SERVED, BUT THERE ARE LOADS WHICH CAN, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION, IT COULD DRIVE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS. YEAH. SO I'M NOT SAYING ALL THE LOADS, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHERE YOU CONNECT, YOU CAN SERVE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A INDICATION OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS WE DO TO DIFFERENTIATE THE OPTIONS. I'M NOT GONNA SAY LIKE, OKAY, THIS IS THE EXACT NUMBER I, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT GIVES SENSELY SENSE AND I I APPRECIATE THAT ADDITIONAL STUFF. UM, WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL'S, UM, UH, PATIENCE AND DILIGENCE WITH ME AS, AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS. IT'S NOT QUITE A BIG ASS PROJECT, BUT IT'S REALLY A BIG PROJECT AND, AND I WOULD ARGUE IS DESERVING OF OUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND PART OF THE TECHNICAL AND IN OUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ROLE TO TRY TO DIG INTO THIS BEFORE WE MAKE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. SO, THANK YOU. YEAH. LIKE, LET ME SAY SOMETHING, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I KNOW, I KNOW YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU TRY TO BRING SOME GOOD POINTS FOR WE CAN IMPROVE THINGS IN RPG AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. UM, I THINK THE, THE CHALLENGE NOW IS AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TRANSITIONING FROM RPG AND THE BATCH AND THINGS, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF, UH, CHANGES AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO, UM, SO AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS ALL THOSE PROJECTS. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS WE HAVE, PROBABLY ROBERT HAS THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT LAST YEAR, AS I SAID, THERE WAS 43 PROJECTS TOTAL, INCLUDING ALL THE TIER ONE, TIER TWO, TIER THREE. AND I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NUMBERS. IT'S PROBABLY SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS TOO. SO $14 BILLION PLUS. SO THANKS, THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK AND WE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL TRY TO IMPROVE OUR PROCESS. THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS. OKAY. UH, BRETT, GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, BU THANK YOU FOR THE, THE PRESENTATION. UM, BRETT CALLARD, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT HERE AT COMPASS DATA CENTERS. JUST WANTED TO COMMENT AND, AND, AND, UM, EXPRESS OUR, UH, EXCITEMENT ABOUT THE, THE OPTION THREE HERE OF IMPROVING THE RELIABILITY IN THE REGION. UM, COMPASS DATA CENTERS HAS A, UH, A CAMPUS, A THREE A 667 MEGAWATT CAMPUS ALREADY ENERGIZED, UH, IN THIS, UH, VERY REGION. UH, WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR, UH, TRANSMISSION DISTRIBUTION AND DEEDING OVER LAND FOR THE LOOP NINE SUBSTATION OR SWITCHYARD. UM, WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO DO, TO EVOLVE WITH OUR SECOND CAMPUS IN THIS VERY REGION. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN ORDER TO SUPPORT AND, AND PUSH FORWARD FOR PAY FOR THE TRANSMISSION, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'VE STATED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING AND, AND, UH, ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS FOR OUR COSER MODEL, WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO INVEST IN AND SECURE TRANSMISSION CAPABILITIES FOR, FOR OUR PURPOSES. WE DO NOT WANT TO, UH, STRAND ANY RESIDENTIAL RATE PAYER WITH THE COST, UH, OF OUR PROJECTS. AND, AND WE ARE STILL VERY COMMITTED TO THAT PROCESS. BUT THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THE TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. [02:15:01] UM, WHAT IS THE FIRST JUSTIN? THANKS, MARTHA. HEY, GOOD MORNING. UH, THIS IS JUSTIN LONG WITH PROVIDENCE DATA CENTERS. UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, UM, BEEN ON THE, UH, THE T FORM, UH, UH, BEFORE ON COMMENTING. SO JUST REAL QUICK, UH, WE ARE, WE ARE A DALLAS BASED NATIONAL HYPERSCALER, UH, DATA CENTER DEVELOPER. AND WE HAVE A PROJECT, UM, IN THE, UM, SOUTH DALLAS REGIONAL RPG PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING REALLY CLOSELY, UM, INCLUDING OUR, UH, IT'S CALLED OUR GRAND PRAIRIE CAMPUS PRAIRIE RIDGE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE, UM, UM, SOME, SOME CON CONTEXT AND COMMENT ON, UM, A COMMENT THAT I HEARD, UH, REGARDING THE, THE PROJECT AND SUPPORTING THE REAL AND SUBSTANTIATED LOADS. UM, SIMILAR TO, UH, MR. CO'S COMMENT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT ABSOLUTELY IS, AND I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME EXTRA CONTEXT HERE. SO OUR, OUR, OUR PROJECT IS ONE OF THE LONGEST, UM, STANDING LARGE LOAD INTERCONNECTION PROJECTS IN THE REGION. AND EVEN PREDATES PIGGER ONE 15. WE, WE HAVE AN EXECUTED 500 MEGAWATT INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENT FOR THE FIRST PHASE, AND WE'VE MET EVERY REGULATORY AND TECHNICAL MILESTONE. AND TO, TO MARTHA'S POINT HAS POSTED TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SECURITY. AND SO MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS NOT SPECULATIVE OR, OR, OR UNSUBSTANTIATED, IT'S UNDER ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION TODAY. AND SINCE LAST, SINCE 2025, WE HAVE HAD OVER A HUNDRED CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL ON SITE, AND WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED THE SWITCHING PAD FOR IRONWOOD SWITCH AND ADVANCED WORK ACROSS 300 ACRES. SO BY NEXT YEAR, OUR CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WILL SCALE TO OVER A THOUSAND WORKERS ON SITE EACH DAY DURING THE PEAK ACTIVITY. UH, WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON THE SITE, UH, WITH THE TOTAL PROJECTED INVESTMENT EXCEEDING $40 BILLION, WHICH IS SUPPORTED BY INSTITUTIONAL CAPITAL, UH, OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH BLACKSTONE. UM, SO FROM OUR VANTAGE POINT, WE THINK THAT THIS IS CERTAINLY A, A REAL SUBSTANTIATED LOAD GIVEN THAT WE HAVE REAL CAPITAL, A REAL TENANT, REAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AND REAL CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT, UH, WHAT WE HEARD FROM COMPASS THAT WE STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND ITS TIMELY ADVANCEMENT. WELL, WE USED TO HAVE THAT UNTIL THEY GOT THIS CAT STUFF. THIS LOOKS SO STUPID. CAN WE MUTE THAT? ME TOO. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE TALKING YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU, . OKAY. SO YEAH, I JUST, WE, WE WANTED TO WRAP UP AND SAY WE'RE STRONG IN SUPPORTING THE ADVANCEMENT AND HOPE THAT THIS GETS TO A BALLOT TODAY, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS ENABLES NOT ONLY OUR PROJECT'S COMPLETION AND SUCCESS, BUT ENABLES LONG-TERM COMMITTED LOAD TO, UM, SERVING IN, IN THIS REGION OF THE ERCOT SYSTEM. SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU, NED. THANK YOU, CAITLIN. AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE SO FAR FOR THE, UH, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A, A VERY FRUITFUL DISCUSSION AND, AND, UM, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THINGS THAT FOLKS ARE, ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO IN THIS, UH, IN THIS SPACE. UM, IF I, IF I WERE TO BOIL IT DOWN TO ONE, YOU KNOW, MAIN ISSUE THAT I THINK FOLKS ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW FAST IS THAT LOAD GONNA COME ON RELATIVE TO THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE IN-SERVICE STATES FOR THE TRANSMISSION ASSETS AND THEREFORE SHOW UP IN, IN RATE BASE. AND, UM, I HEARD SOME, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HEARD THAT WE'VE GOT LOADS THAT ARE TURNING DIRT RIGHT NOW AND, AND UP TO 500 MEGAWATTS. HERSHEY MENTIONED SOME OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE COMING ON AS SOON AS MAY, 2026, BUT SOME OF THE ASSETS WON'T. IT SOUNDED LIKE MAYBE SOME OF THE MORE SUBSTANTIAL CAPITAL ASSETS WON'T BE COMING ON UNTIL 2028. SO AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE NUMERATOR AND THE DENOMINATOR, YOU KNOW, MOVING ROUGHLY IN TANDEM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DENOMINATOR MAY GROW A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN THE NUMERATOR AT FIRST, AND THERE'LL BE SOME CATCH UP, BUT CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR ON, ON HOW THAT'S GONNA PLAY OUT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO MOST OF THE PROJECTS, SOME OF THE LOADS, UM, THERE ARE MORE OF EXPANDING THEIR EXISTING FACILITY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR INSERVICE STATE, IT'S TODAY, RIGHT? THEY WANT THIS FOUR GIGAWATTS OF LOAD. IF YOU ADD 'EM ALL UP, THEY, THEY WANT IT FAST. AND NOW THE ISSUE IS THERE IS NO TRANSMISSION TO SERVE ALL THAT LOAD TODAY. SO MANY OF THESE CUSTOMERS ARE BEING CAPPED, UH, TO WHAT WE CAN SERVE RELIABLY WITHOUT THESE UPGRADES. SO COME DECEMBER 20, 28 AND BEYOND IS WHEN WE CAN SERVE THEIR FULL CAPACITY, NOT TODAY, BUT AS FAR AS ARE THE LOADS THEY'RE WANTING TO CONSUME TODAY. YES. OKAY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY REFLECTED IN THEIR LOAD COMMISSIONING PLANS OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOAD RAMP SCHEDULES CORRECT. THEY HAVE, THEY'VE SUBMITTED, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL, JUST GENERAL IN GENERAL AS WE HAVE SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, NEW TRANSMISSION PROJECTS TO HELP SUPPORT LARGE LOAD GROWTH. YOU KNOW, IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO BOTH SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE STATE AND MANAGE [02:20:01] THE COST IMPACTS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, SHOW UP ON THE BROADER SYSTEM. SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR TAC MEMBERS TO JUST SEE THAT AND, AND REAL SIMPLE, SEE, ARE THESE MOVING IN TANDEM? UM, BUT FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION. I'M WILLING TO PUT THE MOTION OUT TO ENDORSE THE PROJECT. SO I'LL CALL THE QUESTION THAT WAY. OKAY. DO WE GET, UH, ARE YOU, DID YOU SAY YOU CALL THE QUESTION, SORRY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT MOTION. SORRY, I'M JUST GONNA MOVE TO ENDORSE. WE DON'T NEED TO CUT OFF THIS STUFF. MOTION TO ENDORSE. OKAY. BOB, SECOND. BOB, ARE YOU OTHERWISE IN THE QUEUE OR YOU WERE JUST FOR THE SECOND. OKAY. WELL WE HAD, WE, YOU, WE HAD YOU IN THE QUEUE, SO NO. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S TAKE THE REST OF THE QUEUE, UNLESS NED DECIDES TO CALL THE QUESTION OR, OR ANYBODY ELSE. UM, CHRIS MATOS. CHRIS MATOS WITH GOOGLE. UM, LIKE PREVIOUS COMMENTARIES, WE'RE IN A STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE TWO DATA CENTER FACILITIES THAT ARE ANNOUNCED IN SOUTH DALLAS. THEIR ENERGIZATION ARE, AND, AND, AND RAMP SCHEDULES ARE AFFECTED BY THESE PROJECTS AND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN DELAYED AS A RESULT OF THE DELAYED PROCESS HERE. AND SO, AND WHICH HAS CREATED TO ADDRESS NED'S POINT, ENCORE WORKING WITH US AND TRYING TO ADDRESS IN TRYING TO WORK WITH OUR SCHEDULES FOR, FOR INCREASING THOSE LOAD RAMPS. SO MAYBE TO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT'S EARLIER POINT AND TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE TO, AS WE THINK ABOUT FUTURE RPGS AND MAYBE THE BATCH PROCESS MAKES ALL OF THIS CONCERN GO AWAY, YOU KNOW, THESE DELAYS DID HAVE MATERIAL IMPACTS ON, UH, CONSTRUCTABILITY AND VIABILITY OF SITES AND GETTING THEIR DELIVERY TIMES DONE IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LOAD RAMPS THAT WE ATTESTED TO SUBMITTED AND PROVIDED FINANCIAL COMMITMENT ON. SO IN A, IN A FUTURE STATE, AGAIN, MAYBE WITH THE BATCH PROCESS, THIS ALL GOES AWAY, BUT AS ERCOT IS THINKING ABOUT AND TRYING TO, TO RIGHTSIZE THAT BALANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE COSTS TO THE, THE LOAD USERS WHO HAVE SUBSTANTIATED. AND YOU KNOW, BETH, I HEAR YOU ON THE COST ALLOCATION BILL, I HEAR YOU ON THE COST ALLOCATION. MIKE, I HEAR YOU ON THE COST ALLOCATION. YOU KNOW, GOOGLE HAS FILED COMMENTS ON MINIMUM TRANSMISSION CHARGES AND IN, IN COMMITMENT PERIODS THAT SHOULD KEEP RATE PAYERS PROTECTED FROM ANY STRANDED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. BUT MOREOVER, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THIS PLANNING CORRECTLY WITH, WITH LARGE LOADS IN MIND, THE OVERALL SYSTEM TRANSMISSION RATES CAN GO DOWN AS WE, AS WE RIGHTSIZE THE TRANSMISSION, UM, COSTS RELATIVE TO THE PROJECTS. SO, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE GO THROUGH THE COST ALLOCATION DISCUSSION, WE REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THE COMMITMENTS OF THOSE LARGE LOADS AND THE FINANCIAL SECURITY THERE TO SHIELD RATE PAYERS IS, IS BY FAR THE MOST EFFECTIVE METHOD. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA TALK ABOUT IT, BETH, I'M, I'M VERY OPEN TO, TO SITTING DOWN AND HAVING THAT. THANK YOU. THANKS CHRIS. UH, CLAYTON, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THE 700 MILLION THAT WAS PULLED OUT OF THE OTHER PROJECT IN THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BEFORE, UM, I GUESS TAC IN MAY, UH, RPG FOR APPROVAL IN MAY AND THEN TAC IN MAY, THAT THAT WOULD BE REDUCED. RIGHT. THERE'S NO BACKFILLING OF ANY OF THAT. RIGHT? YEAH. SO THIS APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, END THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW FOR THAT OTHER PROJECT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. YEAH, IT'S JUST, WE'VE GOT A PARTIAL APPROVAL OF THE OTHER PROJECT THAT'S BASICALLY BEING INCLUDED IN THIS. SO WE'RE JUST MOVING IT UP A COUPLE MONTHS. YES. FOR THE NOR FOR THE SET ONE, SET TWO, WE ARE ONLY TAKING PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT HERE RIGHT. APPROVING PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT HERE. SO STILL THERE IS A SET ONE, SET TWO ONGOING RPG REVIEW. RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT ALL THAT'S BEING DEDUCTED OUT OF THAT FOR THE FINAL REPORT THAT'S GONNA COME OUT. YES, WE, WE DID PROVIDE AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SORRY, GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD. YEAH, WE DID PROVIDE THE UPDATE ON THE SET ONE, SET TWO PROJECTS, UM, THIS IS THE LAST RPG WHERE WE SHOWED WHAT PARTS ARE MOVING OR BEING MOVED TO THIS PROJECT, AND THE, ALSO THE REVISED SCOPE FOR THE SET ONE AND SET TWO NORTH AND CENTRAL PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN, UH, JUST, I MEAN, MAYBE TO ADD ON A LITTLE COLOR TO, TO JUSTIN AND CHRIS'S, UH, COMMENTS, WE, WE FILED OUR INITIAL, INITIAL REQUEST IN 2023. SO WE, WE, ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS AREA HAVE BEEN WAITING VERY PATIENTLY FOR THIS PROJECT. [02:25:01] IT'S DEFINITELY NEEDED, AND THESE ARE DEFINITELY ACTIVE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY, LET'S GO TO MARK. UH, THANK YOU CHAIR. UM, I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT ON THE, ON THE BIG PICTURE HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE'RE HAVING THIS, THIS AMAZING BURST OF TRANSMISSION CONSTRUCTION AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE COST OF THAT TRANSMISSION GO INTO SOMEBODY'S RATES. AND SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP JUST A LOOSE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ABOUT WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND BY MY VERY LOOSE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE IN, UH, RPG PLANNING, CCN AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF $60 BILLION, BI BILLION DOLLARS IN TRANSMISSION PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AN UNDERESTIMATE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE COST OF THESE PROJECTS GO UP AND THERE, THERE'S LOTS MORE ON THE TABLE. SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOUR ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HOW THE CAPITAL COSTS OF THESE PROJECTS END UP IN RATES AND FUTURE LOAD GROWTH, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE COSTS FOR TRANSMISSION WILL BE AN EVER INCREASING PART OF CONSUMER RATES. AND SO JUST ON BEHALF OF CONSER COMMERCIAL CONSUMERS, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF THE SCRUTINY OF THESE PROJECTS, THE TRANSPARENCY OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, THAT WE'RE HAVING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS, THE COST ALLOCATION STUDY AT THE COMMISSION, AND THEN IN THE CHANGES IN COST RESPONSIBILITY FOR TRANSMISSION FOR LARGE LOADS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN SENATE BILL SIX. ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME TOGETHER TO PROTECT CONSUMERS. THANK YOU. THANKS MARK. ERIC, UH, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MARK AND BETH, ERIC GOFF ON BEHALF OF TEXAS AND NEW BUYERS ALLIANCE. UM, TIBA AND OTHERS HAVE, UM, SEEN AND WORKED ON ANALYSIS THAT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT NED MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, ON THE NUMERATOR DENOMINATOR, WHICH IS IF YOU ADD ENOUGH NEW LOADS AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE ADDING TRANSMISSION COSTS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE KILOWATT YEAR CHARGES FOR E FOR ALL CUSTOMERS, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF PAYERS AND THAT IS PARTIALLY CONTINGENT ON THEIR BEHAVIOR WITH FOUR CP. UM, WHICH IS WHY TIB HAS ALSO PROPOSED AS CHRIS, UH, FROM GOOGLE MENTIONED, UM, MINIMUM TRANSMISSION CHARGE IN ORDER TO, TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT RISK. AND SO WITH THE SUM OF A MINIMUM TRANSMISSION CHARGE AND INTENTIONALLY ADDING NEW LOADS AS WE ADD NEW TRANSMISSION COSTS, WE COULD LOWER TRANSMISSION COSTS FOR CONSUMERS ON A, ON A PER KILOWATT BASIS. SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT GOAL FOR US TO DO HERE. THE ALTERNATIVE SPECTER IS ONE WHERE WE DON'T ADD ENOUGH NEW LOAD, BUT WE DO ADD THE 60 BILLION PLUS IN COSTS THAT MARK MENTIONED, AND THEN COSTS FOR CONSUMERS WOULD GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO ACTIVELY MANAGE THIS WITH INTENTION, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORK WE DO, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY BENEFITS CONSUMERS. THANKS, ERIC. OKAY. Q IS EMPTY. WE DID, OH, MIKE, MIKE WISE, SORRY. YEAH, REAL QUICKLY, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR CONSUMERS AND I'M REPRESENTING A LARGE SET OF CONSUMERS IN WEST TEXAS AS WELL. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO APPROVE LARGE, HUGE TRANSMISSION BUILD OUTS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING OR KNOWING WHAT THE CHANGES IN COST ALLOCATION ARE GONNA BE. THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT VOTE FOR CONSUMERS. IT'S, IT'S ALMOST TOO EARLY . GIVE ME THE COST ALLOCATION SCHEME AND CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA BE BROUGHT ABOUT THEN WE CAN MORE COMFORTABLY DETERMINE WHAT TRANSMISSION PROJECTS ARE NEEDED FOR FUTURE LOADS. YEAH, WE'VE GOT THE CARS BEFORE THE HORSE, UH, AND I'M, I'M, I HAVE A DIFFICULT CHALLENGE WITH THIS. UH, THESE ARE COSTS THAT WE [02:30:01] DO NOT KNOW WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THEM. AND IN SOME CASES, THE COSTS ARE GONNA BE TOO HIGH FOR CONSUMERS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION. I DON'T THINK WE RECOGNIZE HOW IMPACTFUL THIS IS GOING TO BE TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION. THANK YOU. THANKS MIKE. BETH? YEAH, I HAVE A, A, A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE I GUESS MIKE, UM, AS, AS, AS SOMEONE WHO IS SO RI RICHLY STEEPED IN ERCOT ERCOT PRACTICES AND PROCESSES AND HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO DIP MY TOE IN AS YOU WORK IN BOTH WORLDS, MIKE, I KNOW THE DIFFERENT REGIONS OF THIS COUNTRY WHERE COST ALLOCATION IS UNCERTAIN ALL OF THE TIME. UM, IT IS WHAT I SEE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE REGION OR OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY ARE, UM, UH, JUST STAGNATION BECAUSE OF THAT LACK OF CERTAINTY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT THE COST ALLOCATION BEFORE WE CAN THINK ABOUT BUILDING A PROJECT. I'M OKAY FROM A CONSUMER PERSPECTIVE. I SEE THE VALUE OF THE, OF THE INCREASED RELIABILITY AND INCREASED CAPABILITY OF A STRONG AND EXPANDED TRANSMISSION SYSTEM. UM, I'M CONFIDENT THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS SO MANY BALLS ARE IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S THE WORLD WE LIVE IN AND, YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST SUCKS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THROUGH IT. UM, I HAVE CONFIDENCE WE WILL SORT THOSE THINGS OUT. I DON'T WANT TO BE THE, THE, THE, THE ROADBLOCK THAT KEEPS PROGRESS FROM MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, UM, BUT I WANTED TO OFFER JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF IT, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. Q IS CLEAR. WE HAD A MOTION IN A SECOND, BUT SHOULD I, CAN WE PUT THIS ON THE COMBO BALLOT? I DON'T KNOW. ANYTHING OVER A BILLION FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD TAKE IN A, AN ABSOLUTE VOTE ON JUST TAKE A VOTE TO MAKE, MAKE PEOPLE SAY YES, WE'RE SPENDING A BILLION DOLLARS, A BILLION, A BILLION WITH A BIG B. YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HUH? MANY . OKAY. WE, WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THE, THE THRESHOLDS FOR THE TIER ONES PROJECTS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WAY BEHIND THAT. OKAY. UH, COREY, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? MOTION WAS NED. SECOND WAS HILTON. YEP. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ENDORSE OPTION THREE FOR THIS PROJECT. PASS OF ALL ANALOGY, WE WILL START UP WITH THE CONSUMERS, WITH MARK DREYFUSS. YES SIR. THANK YOU. AND THEN MARK FOR NICK. YES SIR. THANK YOU. MIKE REED? YES. THANK YOU, UH, BRETT FOR GARRETT. YES, THANK YOU BETH. YES, THANK YOU WILL. YEP. THANK YOU. ONTO THE CO-OPS, BLAKE? YES. THANK YOU KYLE. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIKE ABSTAIN. GOTCHA. THANK YOU LUCAS, FOR JOHN. I'LL ABSTAIN. ALRIGHT, THANKS SIR. ONTO OUR INDEPENDENT GENERATORS. NED? YES. THANK YOU, COREY. THANK YOU. BRIAN SAMS YES. THANK YOU. BOB HILTON. YES SIR. THANK YOU, CAITLIN. YES, THANK YOU. I LIKED BRIAN'S. YES. BETTER THOUGH. , ALL YOUR YESES ARE EQUALLY APPRECIATED, AS ARE YOUR ABSTENTIONS AND NOS ON THE IPM IAN. YES. THANK YOU, COREY. THANK YOU SHANE FOR REMI. YES, SIR. AND THEN SHANE FOR SETH. YES. AGAIN, YOU AND THANK YOU AMANDA FOR JEREMY. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UNDER OUR I REPS BILL. OH, ALL THAT POWER. ANY STEPS OUT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL LOOP BACK AROUND JUST IN CASE HE COMES BACK. UH, JAY? YES. THANK YOU FOR THE MOMENT. JAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. IR UP ONTO THE IOUS. MARTHA? YES, THANK YOU, EBY. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AARON. YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, UH, ROB FOR KEITH? YES, THANK YOU. AND OUR MUNIS, DAVID? YES. THANK YOU, ALICIA? YES, THANK YOU JOSE. YES SIR. THANK YOU. THANKS SIR. AND CURTIS? YES, THANK YOU. AND STILL NO, BILL [02:35:03] MARKHAM IS NOT PRESENT, SIR. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES UNOPPOSED TO ABSTENTIONS. THANKS COREY. OKAY. MY PLAN IS TO FINISH THE REMAINING RPG ITEMS, THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO A QUICK COMMENT FROM STAFF ON BATCH LOAD. THEN WE'LL TAKE LUNCH, THEN AFTER LUNCH WE WILL RESUME NORMAL AGENDA MAKING OUR WAY FROM LARGE LOAD RIDE THROUGH REQUIREMENTS. SOUND GOOD? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PROBABLY LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE NEXT, WHENEVER YOU AND COREY ARE DONE. . ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS PROBABLY THE FOURTH QUARTER. I MEAN, THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THE PRESENTATION. UM, SO THIS IS THE, UH, STACK AND IT SAYS GREEN AMMONIA LOAD INTERCONNECTION PROJECT. SORRY, I HAVE, OKAY. ALRIGHT. HOPEFULLY, YEAH, THERE IT IS. STATE SUBMITTED THIS PROJECT, UM, TO ADDRESS LOAD ADDITIONS IN THE OIS COUNTY IN THE SOUTH, UH, WEATHER ZONE. UH, WE SHOW THE AREA OF THIS. SO THIS WAS INITIALLY SUBMITTED AS A TIER TWO PROJECT WITH THE ESTIMATED COSTS $72 MILLION. UM, DURING THE COURSE OF THE RPG REVIEW, THE PROJECT WAS, THE PROJECT COST WAS UPDATED AND IT EXCEEDED THE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR TIER ONE PROJECT. SO WE RECLASSIFY THIS AS A TIER, TIER ONE PROJECT. AGAIN, UH, THIS IS AGAIN, UM, DRIVEN BY LOAD EDITIONS IN THE AREA. AS HIGHLIGHTED THERE, THERE'S OVER 1100 MEGAWATTS OF TRANS TSP ATTEST LOAD IN THE STUDY AREA THAT'S DRIVING THE LAB NEED OF THIS PROJECT. UM, AS SHOWN IN THE CRITERIA VIOLATIONS, UH, THERE WERE, UM, SEVERAL THERMAL OVERLOADS AND UNSOLVED TWO UNSOLVED CONTINGENCIES. UH, UNDER P ONE P SEVEN CONDITIONS, OBVIOUSLY THE, SO THEY CARRY OVER UNDER THE G MINUS ONE X MINUS ONE CONDITIONS. TWO. UH, WE ERCOT AS PART OF THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW, LOOKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND AMONG THE OPTIONS WE CHOSE OPTION THREE AS THE OPTION TO RELY SOLVE THE RELIABILITY VIOLATIONS IN THE LEASE, UH, EXPENSIVE MANNER AND IMPROVE THE LONG-TERM LOAD SAVING CAPABILITY. AND ALSO THIS OPTION THREE WOULD REQUIRE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CCN MILES. SO COMPARISON OF THE OPTIONS. UM, SO OPTION THREE, UH, THE FINAL COST IS $161 MILLION WITH AN ESTIMATED IN-SERVICE DATE OF 2031, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 10 MILES, 10.4 MILES OF, UH, CCN. SO AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTED THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST IS, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY THE INITIAL COST ESTIMATE PLUS A EP. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE STACK SUBMITTED THE INITIAL COST. THEY DIDN'T MAKE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE A EP PORTION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH INCLUDES AEPS INCREASED, UH, CAPABILITY WHEN THEY DESIGN THE 3 45 KV SYSTEM. SO THAT'S THAT ATTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASE IN COST. SO AGAIN, REQUIREMENTS OF TIER ONE PROJECT, THIS IS CLASSIFIED TIER ONE. ANY COMMENTS FROM TAX WILL BE, UH, PRESENTED TO THE BOARD. SSR IMPACT. UH, WE DID NOT SEE ANY SSR IMPACT WITH THE ADDITION OF THIS OPTION THREE. SIMILARLY, THE CONGESTION ANALYSIS, SENSITIVE ANALYSIS, WE DID NOT FIND ANYTHING, UM, WHAT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT FOR THIS PROJECT. WE ALSO PERFORM A DYNAMIC SIMULATION FOR THE DYNAMIC STABILITY ANALYSIS FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT. AND BASED ON THE REVIEW, THERE WAS NO ADVERSE EFFECT, UH, FOR THE REGION WE STUDIED AND THE SELECTED CONTINGENCIES. WE LOOK FOR THE PROJECT SUMMARY OF THE RECOMMENDATION. ERCOT WILL RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD TO ENDORSE OPTION THREE TO ADDRESS THE RELI ISSUES IN THE NOS COUNTY IN SOUTH SOUTH WEATHER ZONE. UM, ESTIMATED IN SERVICES, UH, MAY OF 2031. ESTIMATED COST IS $161 MILLION. THIS WILL REQUIRE A CCN, UH, THE PORTION IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE. IT'S BASICALLY CREATING A NEW SUBSTATION AND ROUTING THE EXISTING, UH, LAWN HILL TO GRISSOM LINE INTO THE SUBSTATION. AND ALSO CONSTRUCT A SHORT 4.5 MILES OF, UH, UM, NEW LINE FROM, UH, TO INTO THIS, UH, NOISE [02:40:01] LOAD SUBSTATION FROM CALCIMINE OR SUBSTATION. THAT'S AN EXISTING SUBSTATION. SO I WILL PAUSE HERE. I THINK THAT'S MY LAST SLIDE. UM, THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE PROJECT. THERE'S ALSO 1 38 KV UPGRADES. SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED PROJECT. YOU SEE THE DOTTED LINES, THE THE 3 45 KV UPGRADES FOR THIS PROJECT. SO, UM, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, BETH, SINCE I SPENT ALL MY TIME THIS LAST WEEK LOOKING AT THE ENCORE BIG PROJECT, UM, AND COORDINATING WITH Y'ALL ON THAT ONE. I APOLOGIZE, LUCAS, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REACH OUT TO STECK ON THIS ISSUE. AND, BUT LET ME JUST MAKE A STATEMENT AND YOU CAN CONFIRM OR REFUTE. WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED OF A HUNDRED MILLION-ISH DOLLAR PROJECT FOR A SEPARATE AMMONIA PLANT IN THE STECK AREA. THIS IS THE SECOND AMMONIA PLANT, UM, THAT WE'RE APPROVING A PROJECT FOR. UM, I SAW IN THE NOTES THAT THIS WAS DUE. THIS IS AT THIS POINT FROM ERCOT PERSPECTIVE, IT'S JUST AN OFFICER ATTESTATION LOAD OF A GIGAWATT. UM, I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT STACK CAN MANAGE ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS LARGE LOAD AND ITS TRANSMISSION CONSTRUCTION IN A MANNER THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO START PROJECTS FOR CUSTOMERS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY APPEAR. IS THAT, CAN YOU MAKE ME FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT, AND GIVEN YOUR, AND GIVEN YOUR VOTE ON THE EARLIER PROJECT, I'M SURE THAT STACK IS PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THOSE CUSTOMER RELATIONSHIPS AND WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T BUILD THINGS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED. YOU CAN HAVE THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE THAT IS THE CASE. UM, THIS, UH, AND GOING BACK A QUARTER, I GUESS IT MEETS THE SAME, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT, I'M SORRY, PROBABLY MENTIONED, UH, PRIOR, UH, THE DEFINITION, UH, LOOKING TO, UH, SUP SUPPORT THIS LOAD IN THE AREA THAT, UH, UH, THERE'S BEEN INTEREST IN THE PAST BUT, UH, HAVE LOADS HAVE EVENTUALLY SHIED AWAY FROM, FROM THE LACK OF NETWORK THERE. SO, UM, WE HAVE ONE AND, UH, WE'RE, THIS'LL BE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO, UH, SUPPORT THAT LOAD. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. PABU, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE CONTENT TO COVER HERE OR ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH, THANKS FOR ASKING. NOT FOR THIS PROJECT. I DO HAVE LIKE ONE OTHER PRESENTATION, WHICH IS VERY SHORT RELATED TO THE RPG CHARTER. SO I, I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE TIME, WE CAN COVER THAT BEFORE LUNCH. YEAH. OR SO ARE WE DONE WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT? CAN BE 'CAUSE WE ARE LOOKING TO, I'M OKAY WITH THIS ONE ON THE COMBO BALLOT. IF NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS. THE RIGHT WORDS ENDORSE THE 25 RPG 16 STICK NOISE IS GREEN AMMONIA LOAD INTERCONNECTION PROJECT OPTION THREE. I DO HAVE THIS ONE HERE. WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE COMBO. OKAY. LET'S GO TO THE, THE CHARTER THEN, WHICH IS ALSO A VOTING ITEM. YEAH. DID YOU BRING THAT? OKAY, LET ME SEE. YEAH, SO THANK YOU. THIS, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE RPG CHARTER. SO YOU HEARD LIKE THERE IS A, THERE IS A CHANGE IN THE TIER THRESHOLD. UH, WE PASSED THE NPRR TO CHANGE THE NPRR 1271 TO CHANGE THE CROSS THRESHOLDS FOR THE RPG REVIEW. THE TIER ONE PROJECT HAS BEEN INCREASED FROM A HUNDRED MILLION TO $200 MILLION AND THAT'S APPROVED. SO FOLLOWING THAT, UH, WE HAVE A OBLIGATION TO UPDATE THE RPG CHARTER AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PLACES IN THE CHARTER, THERE'S A FLOW CHART, WHICH SHOWS THE TIER PROJECTS, WHICH USED TO BE A HUNDRED MILLION AND SHOW THE, THE, THE CLASSIFICATION FLOW CHART OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THAT WE UPDATED TO $200 MILLION. AGAIN, UH, THE REVISIONS TO THE RPG CHARTER SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. SO WE'RE REQUESTING, WE'RE PRESENTING IT ATTACK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD, UH, TO APPROVE THIS REVISED PRO CHARTER. SORRY, I, I'D SUGGEST THAT WE RECOMMEND ENDORSEMENT OF THESE CHARTER CHANGES TO THE BOARD [02:45:01] AND WE COULD DO THAT ON THE COMBO BALLOT UNLESS ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS. OKAY. BILL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTION, COMMENT? I HAVE A QUESTION. BU UM, I KNOW THESE CHANGES ARE KINDA LIMITED TO, UM, THE, THE NPRR 1247 OR 74. YEP. DO YOU ANTICIPATE, JUST THINKING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BATCH OF STUDIES, UH, PROCESS IS, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING BIGGER CHANGES COMING TO THE RPG PROCESS TO INCORPORATE WHAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, UM, IN THAT, I'M JUST WONDERING IF, SINCE WE'RE CRACKING THE CHARTER OPEN NOW, SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT OTHER CHANGES THAT ERCOT THINKS THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE BATCH STUDY? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BROADER CONVERSATION, RIGHT? SO WITH THE, WITH THE BATCH, THE WAY WE ARE THINKING, NOT THE BATCH ZERO, THE EVENTUAL BATCH. SO THERE ARE SOME INTERPLAY BETWEEN BATCH RPG AND RTP. SO WE ARE STARTING THE DISCUSSION TO SEE HOW THAT WILL FINALLY SHAPE UP, RIGHT? AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT. I DON'T SEE A REASON TO, YOU KNOW, NOT CHANGE THE CHARTER. I THINK THOSE THINGS WILL TAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, TIME, WHATEVER THE DISCUSSIONS, STAKEHOLDER DISCUSSIONS AND THE TIMELINES THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND VISIT LATER IF WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE RPG PROCESS. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION WHEN WE WERE PLANNING BILL. I THINK WE DON'T NEED CHANGES UNTIL THE, YOU KNOW, BATCH 1, 2, 3 AND SO THAT'S EARLY NEXT YEAR, BUT OKAY. UM, WE ARE DONE WITH THE RPG STUFF. IF YOU COULD STAY FOR FIVE MINUTES PROBABLY. I DO WANNA RAISE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TOOK US OVER AN HOUR, THESE, BUT IT'S GOOD DISCUSSIONS, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT TAC CONTINUE TO ENDORSE THESE THINGS, HAVE DISCUSSIONS, ESPECIALLY FOR CONSUMERS. BUT TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE REPEATING QUESTIONS, AND ALSO TO THE EXTENT WE WILL HAVE OPEN PUC PROJECTS ON COST ALLOCATION AND INTERCONNECTION FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. I, YOU KNOW, I WANT STAKEHOLDERS TO WORK WITH ERCOT ON MAYBE HOW, HOW WE CAN DO THESE MORE EFFICIENTLY. UM, THINK, THINK ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS WILL CONTINUE TO BE NOT RESOLVED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, PICKING ON HER, BETH IS ALWAYS GONNA ASK . SO, AND, AND SO OR TSPS CAN ANSWER, ANSWER THOSE AHEAD OF TIME. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF GREAT SOLUTIONS ON HOW TO DO THAT EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF PBU AND ROBERT ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, 'CAUSE RPG DOESN'T TECHNICALLY FALL UNDER THE, THE TECH PROCESS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL CONSUMER DOESN'T GET PAID TO GO TO RPG, THAT'S VIA BYLAW. SO, UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, CLOSELY OVERLAPS WITH THINGS HAPPENING AT THE, THE PUC AS WELL. SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY HAS ANY BRIGHT IDEAS ON, ON MAYBE HOW STAKEHOLDERS CAN COLLABORATE WITH, WITH PURDUE'S TEAM A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO, TO MAKE THIS GO EFFICIENTLY. WE, WE WILL TOUCH ON IT MORE LATER. WE, WE'VE MADE IT HALFWAY OR MOST OF THE WAY THROUGH OUR PRIORITY ITEMS. BUT IN ADDITION TO HAVING ALL THESE PRIORITY ITEMS DUE TO THE BOARD IN JUNE, WE'RE EXPECTING I THINK SIX RPG PROJECTS BETWEEN APRIL AND MAY. AND SO I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE THINK ABOUT HOW, HOW TO GET THOSE DONE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH, DEFINITELY WE WILL BE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, RECEIVING STAKEHOLDERS FEEDBACK. MAYBE THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE AT RPG TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BRING THIS PROJECT AS YOU HIGHLIGHTED, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT UPCOMING BOARDS. AND ALSO AS WE TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS BATCH AND THINGS, THERE'S, THAT'S ALSO GONNA INTRODUCE A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS AT LEAST THE VERY LEAST. SO, UM, ANYTHING WE CAN ADDRESS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, IF THERE IS A, IF YOU WANNA DO A Q AND A AND POST IT FOR PUBLIC, WE COULD DO THAT. UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'LL WORK WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS. I THINK, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT'S, IT'S MORE ALMOST AN HOUR. I MEAN, I CAUGHT UP IN THE DISCUSSIONS, BUT IT'S ALMOST A BASKETBALL GAME I GUESS, YOU KNOW, . YEAH. UM, YEAH, KE KEVIN. YEAH, I JUST, I JUST MEAN FOR ME A CLARITY QUESTION. ALL CLRS ARE CONSIDERED ZERO MEGAWATT LOAD IN R PG STATES. CORRECT? BECAUSE KRISTEN, THE REASON I ASK THIS IS DISCUSSIONS WE HAD YESTERDAY IS THE THEORETICAL CONCEPT THAT EVERY BATCH PROS PROJECT PROPOSED COMES AS ACL R. DOES THAT MEAN WE WOULD HAVE NO RPG PROJECTS TIED TO 'EM? [02:50:01] YEAH, WE'RE UM, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO TALK AS PART OF THE BATCH PROCESS, RIGHT? CURRENTLY WE DON'T DO THAT IN PLANNING, RIGHT? ALL OUR, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TREAT ALL THE LOADS OR FIRM LOADS, WHICH MAKE IT INTO THE SUBSTANTIAL LOAD DEFINITION. OKAY? SO THAT'S THE DISCONNECT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW BETWEEN RPG AND THE BATCH PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE WILL HAVE TO, WE WILL DISCUSS AS WE WALK THROUGH THIS BATCH PROCESS AND CHANGE THOSE INTO, TRANSLATE INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS. I THINK CLAYTON HAS A COMMENT. I'M SORRY. I WELL, CAN IS ISN'T CORRECT. UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THE YES. THE, THE, THE CLR LOADS ARE INCLUDED IN THE STUDIES TO DETERMINE WHEN THEY CAN GET FIRM POWER. THE ABILITY TO BE A CLR COMES BEFORE THAT, THAT TRANSMISSION PROJECT OR PROJECTS IS COMPLETED. SO IF, IF IT'S A 2029 PROJECT, BUT YOU CAN BRING YOUR LOAD UP IN 27TH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY BRING IT IN AS CLR AND THEN RUN IT THAT WAY AS LONG AS IT CAN BE BACKED DOWN IN REAL TIME AND THEN, UH, IN, IN 29 IT WOULD GO FIRM IN, IN THIS EXAMPLE. SO THAT'S TO, TO SAY THAT THESE, THAT ALL CLR LOADS ARE ZERO IN, IN THE, UH, STUDIES IS NOT CORRECT. THEY'RE STUDIED AND, AND IT'S DETERMINED WHAT PROJECTS ARE NEEDED TO, TO SERVE THEM IN A FIRM BASIS. IT'S JUST THAT UNTIL THE FIRM TRANSMISSION IS THERE, THEN THEN THEY'RE NON FIRM. I, I THINK THIS IS A DISCUSSION FOR THE BATCH PROCESS AND ONGOING CHANGES TO THE PLANNING. YEAH. AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S A NOT RIGHT NOW DISCUSSION. GO. I THINK, MARTHA, YOU HAD COMMENTS? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S IN RELATION TO THE ISSUE THAT YOU TEED UP ABOUT THE AVALANCHE OF WORK THAT IS COMING HERE REALLY WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE WEEKS. STARTING IN FIVE WEEKS, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HEARD FROM PRABU THAT WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING SIX MORE R PG PROJECTS THAT ARE TARGETED TO JUNE BOARD. I'D REALLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO START GOING TO RPG NOW IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY MONITORING THAT. SO THAT QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THERE CAN BE HASHED OUT WHEN THEY'RE NOT ON AS MUCH OF A TIME CRUNCH AND DON'T HAVE AS MANY ISSUES AHEAD OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A VOTING BODY ANYWAY. SO SUGGESTION ONE IS TO START GOING NOW, UH, TO THE, UH, APRIL AND MAY RPG MEETINGS, ALTHOUGH MAY BE, MAY MAY BE TOO LATE. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN THE MEETING CYCLE IS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO GET CREATIVE ABOUT STRUCTURING THE AGENDAS AS WE GET INTO THE LATE APRIL AND MAY MEETINGS AND JUST ALLOCATE CERTAIN BLOCKS OF TIME FOR ISSUES. AND WE CAN'T NECESSARILY SPEND SIX HOURS ON EVERY, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR ON EVERY SINGLE RPG PROJECT 'CAUSE THAT'S A FULL DAY MEETING RIGHT THERE. SO I'M SURE WE'LL CONTINUE TO STRATEGIZE ON HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR WORK MOST EFFICIENT OVER THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE WANT TO TAKE, WE HAVE SEVERAL MAY MEETINGS, BUT IF WE WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE DAY OF RPG PROJECTS AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAR MARTHA AND I COMPLAINED A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT WHAT CAME UP TODAY IS ALSO SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TIME. SO IF, IF WE'RE GONNA WANT TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY FROM EACH UTILITY, WE SORT OF HAD TO HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT, THAT TIME AHEAD TOO. I LIKE YOUR IDEA BU OF THE, THE QUESTIONS MAYBE IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WE POST YET, BUT MAYBE IT'S A, A STARTER MARTHA AND I COULD GET WITH CONSUMERS AND GET THE LIKE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND THEN MAYBE GET WITH STAFF AND YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE THEM VALIDATE LIKE, HERE ARE THE THINGS WE THINK WILL NOT BE ANSWERED UNTIL JANUARY AND YOU CAN TELL US YES, THAT'S ACCURATE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. OKAY. CHRIS MATOS, JUST A QUESTION. ARE YOU GONNA TALK ABOUT CLRS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS REALLY MORE PROCESS ORIENTED 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF RPG AND, AND TECH ENDORSEMENT RELATIONSHIPS. IS THE INTENT TO TRY AND APPROVE AS MANY RPG PROJECTS AS POSSIBLE BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS BATCH PROCESS? OR, SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME, I GUESS WHAT PROJECTS ARE EXPECTED TO MOVE FORWARD THAT ARE IN SUBMISSION AND IN STATE AND YEAH, I'LL, I'LL TRY UP PROBABLY A FOLLOW ISSUE. SO WE ARE FOLLOWING THE NORMAL TIMELINES ON THIS PROCESSING OF THE RPG PROCESS, RIGHT? BASICALLY WE'RE NOT ON A SCHEDULE TO EX EX NOT EXPEDITE TRY TO COMPLETE PROJECTS BEFORE FOR OUR DEADLINE OR JUNE BOARD. IT'S JUST THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS SUBMITTED, THEY FOLLOW THE TIMELINES. THEY'RE, WE ARE EXPECTING TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS PRESENTED AT THE JUNE BOARD AND THE UPCOMING BOARDS BASED ON WHAT'S IN OUR QUEUE. OF COURSE, WE ARE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY [02:55:01] TO COMPLETE THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE RPG TIMEFRAME, BUT WE'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY TARGETING TO CLEAR PROJECTS BEFORE JUNE, IF THAT'S THE QUESTION. YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE JUST SAYING THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST NORMAL SCHEDULING AND THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO LIKE WORDS TO THANK YOU. THAT WAS, THAT'S HELPFUL. OKAY. SO MARTHA AND I WILL TAKE THE FIRST STAB AT FOLLOW UPS FROM THIS AND TRY TO JUST HAVE OUR PROCESS GO A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER ON THIS. WE, WE APPRECIATE RPG WORKING WITH US, SO, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT UNDER TAX, SO I APPRECIATE YOU BU AND ROBERT, UM, LET US CIRCLE BACK TO THE BATCH LOAD. IKA, I THINK YOU HAD A UPDATE OR CONFIRMATION FOR US THERE. YEAH, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE $50,000 FEE. IS IT ONE FEE OR IS IT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER? AND I DIDN'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING BEFORE I CHECKED IT, JESSIE. YES, IT IS THE ONE FEE, BUT IN THE INTERCONNECTION INTERMEDIATE AGREEMENT, IF YOU DON'T SIGN THE FINAL AGREEMENT, ONLY UH, 20% IS REFUNDABLE. IF YOU SIGN THE INTERCONNECTION, NONE IS REFUNDABLE. THAT'S HOW IT IS IN THE PROPOSAL FOR PUBLICATION. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? SO WE WILL BREAK FOR LUNCH. WE'LL RESUME, UM, AT LARGE ELECTRONIC RIDE THROUGH REQUIREMENTS AT ONE AND I'LL BE MY 12 TO 1230 GOT MOVED. SO I'LL BE OUT FROM ONE TO ONE 30. SO MARTHA WILL BE IN CHARGE AND EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE TO, I I WILL YIELD THE CHAIR. SUSIE . ALL RIGHT. AND WE CAN BREAK NOW FOR LUNCH. DO WE, CAN WE BE IN RECESS OR ANOTHER FANCY WORD? HAVE TIME HALFTIME. WE'RE GONNA HALFTIME AND COME BACK AT AT ONE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A DETOUR TO COVER SOME OF THE RPG PROJECTS EARLIER IN THE AGENDA, BUT WE'RE NOW, [7. TAC Priority Items (Part 2 of 2)] WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO ITEM SEVEN AND FINISH THAT UP. WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT ONE MORE TOPIC HERE LEFT UNDER THE TAC PRIORITY ITEMS, AND WE HAVE AN UPDATE FROM PATRICK FROM ERCOT ON THE, UH, VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH ITEMS, WHICH ARE NO 2 82 AND NPR 1308. PATRICK, TAKE IT AWAY. ALL RIGHT, THANKS MARTHA. UM, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THIS IS PATRICK GWA, UH, OPERATIONS ENGINEER ERCOT. I'M GONNA KIND OF GO OVER EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE ON NOER 2 82 AND NPR 13 0 8 IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. UH, SOME OF THESE PRESENTATIONS WE'RE GIVING AT LWG, UM, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL UPDATES AS WELL. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA GO OVER THE TIMELINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THESE TWO REVISION REQUESTS. UM, GIVEN THE UPDATE ATTACK TO ATTACK TODAY, UH, WE ARE TARGETING A ROSS VOTE NEXT WEEK ON APRIL 2ND. UH, ERCOT IS CURRENTLY RESPONDING TO THE LATEST COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM THE DATA CENTER COALITION ON MARCH 12TH. UH, THERE'S SOME GOOD TECHNICAL FEEDBACK ON THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS AND GET THAT, UH, RESPONSE OUT BY TOMORROW. UM, SO THAT WILL GIVE ROSS MEMBERS A WEEK TO REVIEW THOSE COMMENTS BEFORE, UH, THE VOTE NEXT WEEK. BUT THAT IS THE PLAN. UM, MARTHA, DID YOU WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING? YEAH, I'M SORRY FOR SPEAKING WITH MY MOUTH FULL. I LITERALLY JUST TOOK A BITE OF FOOD . UM, BUT UM, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO START TALKING ACROSS THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND TAC AND ERCOT LEADS ON HOW WE'RE GONNA GET THE MOUNTAIN OF WORK DONE THAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE IN LATE APRIL AND MAY WITH THE BOARD PRIORITY ITEMS. SO PATRICK IS HERE ARTICULATING A POSSIBLE TIMELINE AND I JUST SORT OF WANNA DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT HE'S CONVEYING HERE, WHICH IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ERCOT ISS GONNA BE REQUESTING A VOTE NEXT WEEK AT ROS ON THE VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH ITEMS IF ANYBODY'S STILL OUT THERE CONTEMPLATING COMMENTS AND SAY, GET THOSE IN ASAP LIKE TODAY, TOMORROW, FRIDAY, SO THAT THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED AT ROSS NEXT WEEK. AND THEN, UM, WHAT AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY TO TRIAGE THE BOARD PRIORITY ITEMS WOULD BE TO TRY TO SQUARE AWAY THE OLDER ONES SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SO THAT WOULD MEAN DRRS AND VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH. THOSE HAVE BEEN POSTED SINCE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF COMMENTING ON THEM. AND SO WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A POSSIBLE VOTE ON THOSE NPR AND THIS NOER AT THE APRIL [03:00:01] TAC MEETING, WHICH IS IN FIVE WEEKS. SO THIS IS JUST SORT OF PUTTING FOLKS ON NOTICE TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THESE THINGS AS THEY'RE WORKING THEIR FINAL WAY THROUGH THE OTHER SUBCOMMITTEES. AND, UM, HOPEFULLY IF WE CAN GET VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH AND DRS OUT OF THE APRIL TAC, THEN WE'LL HAVE THE MAY TAC MEETINGS FOR THE MULTIPLE RPG PROJECTS THAT PROBABLY TALKED TO US ABOUT EARLIER, AND THEN THE BATCH STUDY REVISION REQUESTS, SO WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT LATER. I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AUGMENT WHAT PATRICK IS SAYING ABOUT THE, THE TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED HERE ON THIS SLIDE. ALL RIGHT, THANKS MARTHA. ALL RIGHT, SO AFTER ROSS, THEN WE HAVE THE PRS TARGET VOTE FOR APRIL 15TH. THAT'S JUST ON THE NPRR ONLY. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF LARGE ELECTRONIC LOAD. WE REALLY HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY FEEDBACK ON THE ACTUAL DEFINITION ITSELF OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BE MAKING THE DEFINITION AT ALL. BUT, UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IN FEEDBACK ON THAT. SO NO CHANGES HAS BEEN MADE TO THE DEFINITION SO FAR. UH, WE TAC DOES NEED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD IN APRIL, 2020 FIRST THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A BOARD PRIORITY REVISION REQUEST, SO IT'S REQUIRED TO GIVE AN UPDATE AT EVERY REGULAR BOARD MEETING. UM, AND THEN WE ARE TARGETING ATTACK VOTE ON APRIL 29TH. UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S IF THE ROSS PASSES AS WELL, UH, TO TARGET THE JUNE BOD VOTE. OKAY. UM, WELL, LET'S SEE. ALRIGHT, SO THESE ARE THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED ON NORE 2 82. UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT SETS OF COMMENTS. UM, SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO OVER THESE. WE RESPONDED TO MOST OF THEM AND MADE SOME REVISIONS ALONG THE WAY. UH, WE DID RECEIVE A COUPLE OF SETS OF COMMENTS LAST WEEK THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO. UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY REVISING ANY, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSED REVISIONS IN THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL. SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE AT THE END. UM, FIRST I WANNA GO OVER THE FIRST SET OF COMMENTS THAT ERCOT, UM, FILED AT THE END OF JANUARY. IT HAD FOUR COMPONENTS TO THOSE COMMENTS. THE FIRST WAS JUST RENUMBERING SOME SECTIONS. UH, THE SECOND WAS WE REVISED SOME EXEMPTION LANGUAGE IN PARAGRAPH ONE OF THE FREQUENCY AND VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH SECTIONS. UH, WE VETTED THESE WITH THE T DSBS. UH, WE DO HAVE THAT EXEMPTION DATE WHERE OF WHEN WE FILED THE NOER, THAT LOADS THAT WERE OPERATIONAL, UM, ARE EXEMPT LOWS THAT ARE APPROVED, RECEIVED APPROVAL TO ENERGIZE BEFORE THE FILING OF THIS, NO, WERE EXEMPT. AND WE ALSO HAD A SET OF CRITERIA WHICH BASICALLY TIES TO THE PLANNING GUIDE SECTIONS 9.4 AND 9.5. UH, WE DIDN'T REFER TO THEM DIRECTLY BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT LANGUAGE WAS STILL GRAY BOX. SO WE JUST KIND OF LISTED OUT THAT CRITERIA IN THOSE SECTIONS IN THE PLANNING GUIDES. AND THEY'RE BASICALLY HAVING YOUR LILI APPROVED BY ERCOT, UM, SIGNED DA WITH THE TDSP FINANCIAL SECURITY NOTICE TO PROCEED. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE OUTLINED. SO IF YOU MET ALL THOSE BEFORE NOVEMBER 14TH, 2025, YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM THOSE. UM, SO WE HIGHLIGHTED THAT. UH, WE ALSO RESPONDED TO SOME TESLA COMMENTS WHERE WE ADDED SOME EXPLICIT LANGUAGE THAT A, LIKE A LOAD TRANSFER SCHEME CAN BE USED. UM, IF YOUR LOAD CANNOT RIDE THROUGH, YOU CAN HAVE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES LIKE A-B-E-S-S THAT WOULD BASICALLY REPLACE THAT LOAD OF CHARGING IMMEDIATELY. UM, SO WE ADDED SOME EXPLICIT LANGUAGE ALLOWING THOSE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES. WE'RE TRYING, WE WANT THESE REQUIREMENTS TO BE TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL. UM, IT HAS BEEN CHALLENGING, BUT WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXISTING TECHNOLOGIES TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO. AND THESE TECHNOLOGIES CAN DO KIND OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE ANY OF THESE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. SO WE REVISE THAT. UH, A BIG WIN WAS NUMBER FOUR. UH, WE REVISED THE ACTIVE POWER RECOVERY TIME FOR POST DISTURBANCE, UM, FROM ONE SECOND TO TWO SECONDS. SO THIS IS, IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE MUSH RIDE THROUGH LOW VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH CURVE, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO REDUCE YOUR CONSUMPTION. UM, BUT WE NEED YOU TO COME BACK WITHIN, WITHIN PRETTY QUICKLY. UM, SIMILAR TO HOW LIKE AN IBR WOULD OPERATE WHEN IF THERE'S A VOLTAGE DIP AT YOUR POI, YOUR OUTPUT IS GOING TO REDUCE. UM, BUT YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK PRETTY QUICKLY WITHIN A, A SECOND OR TWO. WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT AT ONE SECOND. WE DID DO PERFORM SOME STUDIES. THE DYNAMIC STUDIES GROUP PERFORMED SOME STUDIES AND, AND SAW THAT AS FAR AS THE SYSTEM STABILITY, FREQUENCY STABILITY, VULTURE STABILITY, UM, ONE SECOND VERSUS TWO SECONDS WAS, WAS PRETTY CLOSE. UH, WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE LEL DEVELOPERS THAT ONE SECOND GONNA BE CHALLENGING, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE REALLY LOW VOLTAGE SITUATIONS OR ANY KIND OF UPS THAT REQUIRES THE LOAD TO TRANSFER TO UPS. COMING BACK IN ONE SECOND IS, IS PRETTY [03:05:01] CHALLENGING BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THE VOLTAGE AT THE, AT THE POI RETURNS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO KIND OF RAMP BACK. UM, SO MOVING THAT TO TWO SECONDS SHOULD HELP THEM BE ABLE TO MEET SOME, MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SO THAT WAS ALL PART OF THAT JANUARY 30TH COMMENTS FILED BY ERCOT. WE HAD SOME COMMENTS FROM ONWARD ENERGY. UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS. IT WAS REALLY JUST CONCERN ABOUT HOW ERCOT IS GONNA HANDLE, UM, FACILITIES THAT HAVE GENERATION AND LARGE LOADS, LARGE ELECTRONIC LOADS BEHIND THE SAME, UH, METER OF CO-LOCATED LOADS. UM, AND, AND WHAT, WHAT REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY TO THE GENERATION VERSUS THE LOAD? UM, YOU KNOW, ERCOT WAS, IS GONNA HAVE THE ABILITY THAT WE HAVE THE LIMIT TREE FROM THE LOAD FROM THE GENERATION. WE HAVE, UH, PMU DATA THAT'S REQUIRED. WE HAVE THE RFI PROCESS. WE HAVE MANY METHODS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. UM, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED. WE'RE GONNA KNOW IF THE LOAD TRIP, WE'RE GONNA KNOW IF THE, IF THE GENERATION TRIP OR BOTH, AND WE'RE GONNA APPLY THE APPROPRIATE REQUIREMENTS TO THE GENERATION VERSUS THE LOAD. UM, SO WE SPOKE WITH ON, ON ENERGY. THEY WERE FINE. WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T NEED ANY REVISIONS FOR THE LANGUAGE. UM, WE THOUGHT THE APPLICABILITY WAS CLEARLY FINE IN THOSE IN THE APPROPRIATE, NO OPERATING A SECTIONS. ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT VERSE SET OF COMMENTS, UM, THAT ERCOT SUBMITTED WAS ON THREE 11. AND THAT WAS INCORPORATING, UH, COMMENTS FROM A EP FROM BACK IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, AND THE DWG FEEDBACK AS WELL. UM, AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, ROSS REFERRED THIS NOER TO BOTH DWG AND SYSTEM PROTECTION WORKING GROUP. UH, SO WE DISCUSSED IT AT DWG AND A P WAS REALLY THE ONLY TDSP THAT SENT COMMENTS. UH, SO WE REALLY REVIEWED A LOT OF AAPS COMMENTS AND DWG. UM, AND THEN ERCOT AGREED TO SUBMIT THOSE COMMENTS, UM, FOR DWG AS WELL IN RESPONSE TO THE A P. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE CHANGES THAT WE MADE. UH, THE FIRST WAS INCREASING THE HIGH FREQUENCY RIDE THROUGH THRESHOLD AND TABLE A, UH, PER A PIECE COMMENTS. WE INCREASED THAT FROM 61.8 TO 63 HERTZ. UM, WE, THE REASON WE WANTED TO INCREASE THIS IS, IS, IS IF THERE IS A LARGE LOAD EVENT WHERE WE LOSE A LOT OF LOAD ON THE SYSTEM, THE FREQUENCY'S GOING TO SPIKE. AND IF IT GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, AND IF LARGE LOADS ARE SETTING THEIR FACILITIES TO TRIP AT 61.8, THAT'S ADDITIONAL LOAD THAT WOULD TRIP AND FURTHER INCREASE THE FREQUENCY AND EXACERBATE THE EVENT. UM, AND WE HEARD FROM DEVELOPER FEEDBACK THAT HIGH FREQUENCY IS REALLY NOT A CONCERN. WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE LARGE LOAD MODEL SURVEYS WE RECEIVED, AND A LOT OF 'EM HAVE IT SET, YOU KNOW, LOW, LOW FREQUENCY 57, HIGH FREQUENCY 63. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND INCREASED THAT TO 63 AS PER THE DWG FEEDBACK AND AAPS COMMENTS. UM, THE NEXT THING WE CHANGED, UM, IS SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE FOR THE ALLOWABLE OVER CURRENT, UH, DURING THE VOLTAGE TRANSIENT. UM, SO AS YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE, THESE ARE CONSTANT POWER FACILITIES. THESE DEVICES, THE IT EQUIPMENT IS CONSTANT POWER. SO IF THERE'S A VOLTAGE DIP AT THE POI OR SERVICE DELIVERY POINT, UH, THAT FACILITY IS GOING TO PULL MORE CURRENT TO KEEP THAT CONSTANT POWER LOAD TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. UM, SO WE HAD LANGUAGE ALLOWING 125% ALLOWABLE OVER CURRENT OF YOUR KIND OF MAXIMUM CURRENT CAPABILITY. UM, DWG WANTED SOME SPECIFIC CLARIFYING LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ONLY ALLOWED DURING THE VOLTAGE TRANSIENT, UH, WHICH SHOULD NOT EXCEED 0.5 SECONDS. SO WE ADD THAT CLARIFYING LANGUAGE, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO THAT 125% A LITTLE LATER AS WELL. UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ERCOT DID NOT CHANGE, UH, THAT WERE IN THE A EP COMMENTS. UH, ONE WAS CHANGING THE LOW FREQUENCY THRESHOLDS FROM 58.2 TO 57. UM, ERCOT AND DWG AGREED WE WANTED TO KIND OF KEEP THAT WHERE IT WAS 'CAUSE WE WANTED THESE FACILITIES TO PERFORM IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, ANY UFLS OR THE ANCILLARY SERVICE OBLIGATIONS AS WELL. UH, SO WE KIND OF KEPT THAT AT 57. I'M ALSO GONNA COME BACK TO THIS LATER WITH THE LATEST, UM, DCC COMMENTS. AND ANOTHER THING WE DID NOT, UH, INCORPORATE, UM, AP WAS SUGGESTING THAT DATA CENTERS THAT HAVE A UPS OR HAVE BES SOLUTIONS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF RETURNING THEIR LOAD QUICKLY, EVEN WHEN THE VOLTAGE IS OUTSIDE, THAT MUST RIDE THROUGH ZONE, UH, SHOULD, SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK, UH, WITHIN TWO SECONDS AS WELL. ALTHOUGH WE AGREE THIS IS THE BEST PERFORMANCE FOR SYSTEM RELIABILITY, THIS DEFINITELY GIVES SOME ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE RISK TO THOSE FACILITIES TO DO THAT WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY ALLOWED TO TO TRIP. UM, SO WE DIDN'T WANNA PUT THAT ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE BURDEN ON THERE. UH, SO WE DID NOT INCORPORATE THAT. UM, [03:10:01] ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE FACILITIES TO HAVE THIS CAPABILITY, UM, AS THEY'RE BEING BUILT OUT AND DESIGNED. ALRIGHT, UM, SO THE FIRST SET OF DATA CENTER COALITION COMMENTS CAME FEBRUARY 9TH, AND THERE WERE THREE PROPOSED REVISIONS. UM, THEY WANTED TO REPLACE THE LARGE ELECTRONIC LOAD WITH ALL LARGE LOAD AND NOGA 2 82. AND THEY ALSO WERE NOT KEEN ON HAVING THE LARGE ELECTRONIC LOAD DEFINITION AT ALL IN THE NPRR. UH, THEY WANTED TO EXCHANGE TO CHANGE THE EXEMPTION DATE FROM 11 14 20 25 TO JANUARY 1ST, 2027. AND THEY WERE SUGGESTING THAT ON THE VRT REQUIREMENTS ONLY APPLIED TO 50% OF THE DEMAND AT THE FACILITY, UM, TO INCORPORATE, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COOLING A MECHANICAL LOAD OR SOME OF THE LOAD THAT'S NOT, DOESN'T HAVE UPS OR ANY KIND OF, UM, BACKUP GENERATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, ERCOT COULDN'T AGREE WITH THESE REVISIONS. UM, UH, FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LEL VERSUS THE ALL LARGE LOAD, UH, WE DO KNOW THAT THE LS POSE A MORE INTIMATE RISK TO SYSTEM RELIABILITY, UM, FOR A FEW REASONS. ONE, THEY, THEY ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO VOLTAGE DISTURBANCES THAN THE TRADITIONAL LS. I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN VOLTAGE DIP BELOW 0.7 PER UNIT FOR 20 MILLISECONDS, AND THIS EQUIPMENT CAN TRIP OFF. UM, HISTORICAL, UH, TRADITIONAL INDUSTRIAL LARGE LOADS HAVE BETTER RIDE THROUGH CAPABILITY THAN THIS. WE HAVE HAD SOME EVENTS IN THE PAST WHERE WE'VE SEEN SOME OIL AND GAS TRIPPING OFF, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TYPICALLY STILL MORE RESILIENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM A LOT OF THE, THE, UH, CRYPTO MINING FACILITIES. UM, AND THEN THE, THE PROJECTED DEMAND IS 80 TO 90% OF THE FUTURE DEMAND GROWTH IS LS. WE'RE SEEING SUCH AN INFLUX OF THESE DATA CENTERS. WE FEEL WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RIGHT CAPABILITY. WE'RE ALREADY EXEMPTING A LOT OF THIS ALREADY IN THESE REQUIREMENTS. UM, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT RIDE THROUGH CHARACTERISTICS. SO WE, WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THE LS ARE CAPABLE OF DOING. WE KNOW THE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE, SO THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE LS. UH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK WITH OTHER RIDE THROUGH REQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER TYPES OF LARGE LOADS, ESPECIALLY THOSE DRIVEN BY VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVES THAT WE'VE SEEN ARE ALSO VERY SENSITIVE TO VOLTAGE, UM, HYDROGEN ELECTROLYSIS, OTHER TYPES OF LOADS. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE, THE LARGE ELECTRONIC LOAD RIGHT NOW. UM, AS FAR AS THE CHANGING THE EXEMPTION DATE, UH, THIS IS KIND OF A BIG ONE. UM, WE REALLY ARE VERY RELUCTANT AND NOT UNWILLING TO CHANGE, PUSH THIS FURTHER OUT INTO THE FUTURE. UH, WE ARE EXEMPTING A LOT OF LOADS. WE'RE EXEMPTING EVERYTHING THAT WAS APPROVED BY ERCOT, UM, WHEN WE FILED THIS NOER. IF WE PUSH THIS OUT INTO THE FUTURE, WE'RE JUST ALLOWING MORE LOAD TO COME ON THAT CANNOT MEET THE RIDE THROUGH REQUIREMENTS. UM, MAKING THE RELIABILITY RISK WORSE. UH, WE'RE ALREADY AT THIS POINT WHERE WE MAY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT SOME SYSTEM OPERATING LIMITS ON SOME OF THIS LOAD THAT CANNOT RIDE THROUGH, WHICH COULD POTENTIALLY CURTAIL LOAD IN REAL TIME. THE MORE LOAD WE HAVE THAT CAN'T RIDE THROUGH, THE WORSE THAT GETS, THE MORE WE HAVE TO CURTAIL. UM, IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT AS THESE LOADS RAMP UP AND IT'S LIKELY GOING TO HAPPEN THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THESE SYSTEM OPERATING LIMITS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE, WE CANNOT MOVE THIS DATA OUT INTO THE FUTURE. UH, IT JUST CAN'T BE DONE. AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA REALLY RESIST THAT. UM, AND THE LAST THING WAS APPLYING THE VRT REQUIREMENTS. THE 50% LOAD JUST DOESN'T MITIGATE THE RISK EITHER. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME, THERE COULD BE SOME EXEMPTIONS FOR COOLING LOAD. I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT AS AS WELL. UH, WHEN I GET TO THE SECOND SET OF DCC COMMENTS, UH, WE ALSO PROVIDED, WE REFERENCED A LOT OF OUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, UH, THE WORKSHOP BACK IN JUNE, WHY WE NEED THE RIDE THROUGH. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE ONLY TRANSMISSION MARKET SOLUTIONS ARE NOT ALONE, ARE NOT GONNA FIX THIS. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RIDE THROUGH CAPABILITY AS WELL. UM, BUT WE DO CONTINUE TO EXAMINE THOSE SOLUTIONS. UM, ESPECIALLY ANY KIND OF MARKET SOLUTIONS, ANCILLARY SERVICES, UH, WE JUST HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET. ALRIGHT, UH, THE NEXT ROUND OF DCC COMMENTS, UM, CAME ON MARCH 12TH. SO THIS WAS A REALLY HELPFUL SET OF COMMENTS. THEY REALLY FOCUSED ON THE TECHNICAL LIMITATIONS THAT THE DATA CENTERS HAVE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. UM, SO TO GO TO THE BASKETBALL REFERENCE, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME LAYUPS IN HERE. WE'VE GOT SOME FREE THROWS, WE'VE GOT SOME CORNER THREES. WE'VE GOT SOME HALF COURT SHOTS IN HERE. UM, AND WE'RE ALSO RUNNING THE FULL COURT PRESS ON THIS ONE AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE REALLY NEEDED FROM THE DEVELOPERS. LIKE, WHAT CAN YOU DO? WHAT CAN YOU NOT DO? WHAT CAN WE LIVE WITH? WHAT CAN WE CHANGE THAT WOULD HAVE MINIMAL, MINIMAL [03:15:01] IMPACT ON THE RELIABILITY RISK OR NOT MAKE IT WORSE? UH, SO THERE ARE NINE PARTICULAR THINGS THAT THEY ADDRESSED IN THESE COMMENTS. THE FIRST WAS THE CONSIDERATION FOR MECHANICAL AND COOLING LOAD. UM, WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. I MEAN, WE WROTE THE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE ELECTRONIC PORTION OF THE LOAD. WE TRY TO MAKE THE LOW VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH CURVE ACCEPTABLE FOR THE COOLING LOAD TO RIDE THROUGH AS WELL. HISTORICALLY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF COOLING LOAD. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ALL TRIPPING FOR THESE NORMAL FAULT CLEARING EVENTS. SO WE TRY TO BASE THAT ON, HEY, WHAT ARE NORMAL PROTECTION SCHEMES? WHAT CAN THIS MECHANICAL COOLING LOAD POTENTIALLY RIDE THROUGH? UM, THE DEVELOPERS CAN'T REALLY TELL US RIGHT NOW WHAT THEIR RIDE THROUGH CAPABILITY IS FOR THE COOLING LOAD. AND IT COULD BE ALL OVER THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE VFDS IF THE CHILLERS, THERE'S A JUST A LARGE VARIETY AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA. UM, BUT WE CAN'T JUST EXEMPT THE COOLING LOAD ALTOGETHER. I MEAN, IT'S, YOU'VE GOT A THOUSAND MEGAWATT FACILITY, YOU'VE GOT 300 MEGAWATTS OF COOLING LOAD IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER, WE THAT WE, THAT NEEDS TO RIDE THROUGH TO THE BEST OF ITS ABILITY AS WELL. UM, SO WE'RE NOT OKAY WITH JUST EXEMPTING THE COOLING LOAD ALTOGETHER. WE CAN'T JUST SAY ONLY 75, 70% OF THE LOAD HAS TO RIDE THROUGH. UH, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MAYBE EXEMPTING THAT DEEP VOLTAGE SAG, UM, BELOW 0.35 PER UNIT AT YOUR SERVICE DELIVERY POINT. SO THAT'LL BE A VERY SMALL AREA. SO YOU MIGHT ONLY HAVE ONE OR TWO FACILITIES THAT ARE CONNECTED THERE AND ONLY THAT COOLING LOAD COULD TRIP, UM, IF THAT VOLTAGE GETS REALLY LOW. UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE ALLOWING THAT EXEMPTION. UM, THERE'S A SIMILAR EXEMPTION THAT SOUTHWEST POWER POOL. UH, THEY PUT OUT THEIR REQUIREMENTS IN JANUARY VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT ERCOT FIRST PROPOSED BACK IN JULY. UM, BUT THEY ARE KIND OF ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT OF EXEMPTION, A LITTLE LEEWAY THERE. AND THEN MAYBE WE HAVE SOME BETTER DATA WE CAN COME BACK AND, AND KIND OF NAIL DOWN THE COOLING LOAD ON WHAT THAT NEEDS TO BE AS FAR AS THE RIDE THROUGH. UM, THE NEXT IS, UM, ALIGNING THE LOW FREQUENCY RIDE THROUGH WITH PRC 24. EVEN THOUGH THE PRC 24 IS REGENERATION IS FOR LARGE LOAD, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE ONLY ASKING THAT WE CHANGE THE LOW FREQUENCY THRESHOLD FROM 57 HERTZ TO 57.5. AND I THINK THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE LAYUPS. UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS FREQUENCY. IS THIS LOW? WE'RE WELL BELOW ANY OF THE UFLS TRIGGERS. AAPS COMMENTS SUGGESTED THE SAME THING. SO I, I THINK ERCOT GOOD WOULD MAKING THIS CHANGE. UM, THIS ONE IS MORE OF A, THIS ONE'S MORE OF A CORNER THREE TO A HALF QUART SHOT. THE REVISED THE LOW VRT THRESHOLDS FROM, WELL, FOR ONE THING, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GO TO 20 MILLISECONDS FOR, FOR THE LOW VOLTAGE THRESHOLD. UM, SO THIS ONE, I'M GONNA GO MORE OF A HALF QUART SHOT ON THIS ONE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THIS TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THROUGH A NORMAL CLEARING, UH, PROTECTION SCHEME, WHICH IS GONNA BE A HUNDRED MILLISECONDS OR SO AT THE, AT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN 150 MILLISECONDS RIGHT NOW. WE, WE CAN'T PUT, PUT THIS DOWN TO 20 MILLISECONDS. IT'S JUST THESE LOADS ARE TOO LARGE. THEY'RE TOO MANY THAT COULD TRIP OFF WHEN THEY'RE STILL CONNECTED TO THE SYSTEM. I MEAN, WE WE'RE HEARING 5,000 MEGAWATTS OF THESE THINGS. SO WE CAN'T HAVE ALL THAT TRIP OFF JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FAULT CLOSE BY IF THEY STAY CONNECTED. UM, SO WE DID, WE ARE MAKING A, POTENTIALLY MAKING A CHANGE. I THINK WE HAD IT AT 0.2. UM, WE CAN INCREASE THAT TO 0.35, BUT THE, THE 20 MILLISECONDS JUST ISN'T GOING TO WORK. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD STILL REDUCE, BUT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK. UH, WE CAN'T JUST ALLOW YOU TO JUST TRIP OFF COMPLETELY FOR, FOR THIS. UM, ANOTHER LAYUP I THINK IS REMOVING THE POSITIVE SEQUENCE VOLTAGE FROM THE VRT REQUIREMENTS. UM, I THINK THIS WAS A SUGGESTION FROM THE, FROM ONE OF THE T DSPS. WE DON'T HAVE THIS FOR IBR RIDE THROUGH THE LOADS, PROBABLY AREN'T EVEN LOOKING AT POSITIVE SEQUENCE. THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT PHASE, THE PHASE, THE GROUND VOLTAGES. ANYWAY, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO HAVE IT IN HERE. UM, REMOVING THIS DOES ALLOW POTENTIALLY MORE TRIPPING FOR SINGLE LINE TO GROUND FAULTS IF IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE FACILITY. BUT I THINK THAT RISK IS PRETTY LOW. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE FACILITIES ARE GONNA HAVE SOME KIND OF DELTA WINDING TRANSFORMER. SO THE SINGLE LINE TO GROUND FAULTS AREN'T, SHOULDN'T BE THAT IMP IMPACTFUL. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF EVENTS WITH TRADITIONAL DATA CENTERS, UH, BECAUSE MOST OF THE FAULTS ARE SINGLE LINE TO GROUND FAULTS, BUT WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THOSE THREE PHASE FAULTS AND, AND THE, AND THE BIG EVENTS. ALL RIGHT, UH, NEXT, ALL RIGHT, THIS IS GOING ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE CORNER THREE IS HALF PORT SHOTS. UM, THE OVER VOLTAGE IS A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE THE OVER VOLTAGE IS WHAT CAN REALLY CAUSE DAMAGE IN THESE FACILITIES. UM, SO WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN. UH, WE HAD THE BETWEEN 1.1 AND 1.2 PER UNIT AT TWO SECONDS, [03:20:01] UM, IN THE LATEST ROUND. UM, THE IIC CURVE HAS THIS AT 0.5 SECONDS. THAT'S WHAT THE DCC COMMENTS ARE ASKING FOR, BUT THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR A 2% TOLERANCE, UM, GOING DOWN TO 1.08. UM, SO THERE'RE A PIECE OF THIS AND THAT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME. I THINK WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO CHANGE THE TWO SECONDS DOWN TO ONE SECONDS. BUT THE PROBLEM IS, AGAIN, IF THERE IS AN EVENT AND YOU LOSE A LOT OF LOAD AND THAT FAULT CLEARS, THAT VOLTAGE IS GONNA HAVE AN OVERSHOOT AND THEN THAT VOLTAGE OVERSHOOTS AND IT DOESN'T COME BACK DOWN VERY QUICKLY ENOUGH, THEN YOU'VE GOT ADDITIONAL LOAD THAT COULD BE TRIPPING AS WELL. SO WE REALLY NEED TO KIND OF PUSH THEM TO REALLY MAXIMIZE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE OVER VOLTAGE. I I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THIS YET. I'M GONNA TRY TO GET IT TOMORROW WHAT OUR RESPONSE IS GOING TO BE. UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE MORE CHALLENGING ONES. UH, ANOTHER CHALLENGING ONE IS THIS, UM, REQUEST FOR THIS SHORT DURATION. SO THIS ONE, SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE, GET A LITTLE TECHNICAL ABOUT THIS ONE. SO THERE UPS WORK A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE'S A CENTRALIZED UPS AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE WAY THE CENTRALIZED UPS CAN WORK FOR THEIR SHALLOW VOLTAGE DIPS DOWN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN LIKE 0.7 0.5, THEY CAN KIND OF WORK IN A, IN A HYBRID CAPACITY WHERE THEY CONTINUE CONSUMING POWER FROM THE GRID. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S WHAT ERCOT NEEDS. THAT'S WHAT'S BEST FOR THE GRID. BUT THAT'S JUST ONE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. UM, THE BES SOLUTIONS AND THEN THE DECENTRALIZED UPS, THEY HAVE A HARD TIME CONTINUED CONSUMING FROM THE GRID. UM, ALL OF 'EM ARE GONNA HAVE ISSUES WITH THE VERY LOW VOLTAGE. SO WE ALLOW THAT EXEMPTIONS FOR THE VERY LOW VOLTAGE, BUT IT'S REALLY THAT 0.5 TO 0.7 OR 0.8 WHERE IT'LL COVER A WIDE AREA WHERE YOU CAN HAVE POTENTIALLY A LOT OF DATA CENTERS AND CRYPTO FACILITIES TRIPPING OFF. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE, CONTINUE CONSUMING. UH, BUT THAT'S KIND OF LIMITING THE TECHNOLOGY AS WELL. SO WE DO HAVE THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE BESS, UM, THAT BASICALLY THE BES, THE WAY THAT WOULD WORK IS THE LOAD WOULD TRIP AND FROM THE GRID YOU WOULD LIKELY SEE THAT ACTIVE OF POWER GO TO ZERO VERY BRIEFLY BEFORE THAT BBES STARTS CHARGING. BUT IT'S VERY FAST. SO WHAT DATA CENTER COALITION IS ASKING IS KIND OF THE SAME ALLOWANCE FOR KIND OF THIS DECENTRALIZED UPS. IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE CAN'T CONTINUE CONSUMING, BUT WE CAN COME BACK IN HALF A SECOND. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT ONE AS WELL. AND I'M TRYING TO GET A RESPONSE. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GOOD TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO IT. AND THE THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED FROM TESLA WAS LIKE 250 MILLISECONDS. WE PULLED THAT OUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE TOO PRESCRIPTIVE. BUT WE MIGHT BE PUTTING THAT BACK IN THERE IF A LOT MORE OF THESE FACILITIES ARE DOING THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS DECENTRALIZED UPS. SO THIS IS, THIS IS ANOTHER HALF COURT SHOT THAT WE GOTTA WORK ON HERE. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ALLOWABLE OVER CURRENT EARLIER. UM, I THINK THEY'RE ASKING TO MOVE THAT FROM ONE 25% TO 150 AND THAT ALLOWS THAT FACILITY TO RIDE THROUGH DOWN TO 0.7 PER UNIT AND JUST PULL THAT EXTRA CURRENT INSTEAD OF SWITCHING OVER TO UPS AT ALL. SO IT ACTUALLY HELPS THEIR RIDE THROUGH CAPABILITY. WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING. I TALKED, WE TALKED WITH THIS WITH DWG AND S-P-W-G-S-P-W-G SPECIFICALLY. ARE THERE GONNA BE ISSUES WITH PULLING 150% OF RECURRENT? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUES AT THIS LEVEL. UM, I MEAN ALL THE, ALL THE PROTECTIONS THEY'RE, THEY'RE MEANT TO TAKE ON THESE TRANSIENTS AND NOT TRIP DURING THESE VOLTAGE TRANS, THESE CURRENT TRANSIENT. SO THEY, THEY, THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH 150%. SO I THINK THIS IS A, ANOTHER LAYUP THAT WE CAN THROW IN THERE. ALRIGHT, UM, SORRY IF I'M GOING ON TOO LONG, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF THE MEAT OF IT RIGHT HERE. UH, THE NEXT THING ALLOWING THE LOAD TRANSFER SCHEMES FOR WHEN YOU'RE COUNTING VOLTAGE SAG. SO I'M SURE MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE DOMINION EVENTS. THAT WAS THE BIG TRIGGER FOR THOSE EVENTS. IT WAS, THEY HAD FIVE RECLOSING ATTEMPTS OR SIX RECLOSING ATTEMPTS, FIVE OR SIX VOLTAGE DISTURBANCES. THEY HAVE FACILITIES THAT COUNT AT THREE WITHIN ONE MINUTE AND THEY COMPLETELY SWITCH OVER TO THEIR BACKUP GENERATION. NOT EVEN A UPS. THEY GO ALL THE WAY TO THEIR BACKUP GENERATION. WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. I THINK THIS IS A DISTRIBUTION THING THAT'S GOT BROUGHT UP TRANSMISSION. SO WE WERE TRYING TO PROHIBIT THIS TYPE OF SCHEME. UH, DCC WANTS TO HAVE SOME ALLOWANCE THOUGH A LOT OF THEM STILL WANT TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, BUT IT HAS TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE RECLOSING SCHEMES OF THE TDSP. UM, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THIS. WE WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY SAYING, OKAY, WE CAN MAYBE ALLOW SOME EXEMPTIONS IF YOU COORDINATE WITH YOUR TDSP, YOU GET RE YOU, WE REVIEW IT, WE GET WRITTEN APPROVAL FROM ERCOT, BUT WE'RE NOT QUITE [03:25:01] SURE ABOUT THAT. LEGAL WASN'T TOO HAPPY ABOUT ALLOWING THOSE EXCEPTIONS LIKE THAT. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A MINIMUM MULTIPLE RIGHT FAULT RIDE THROUGH LIKE A SPP HAS ONE OF THESE AS WELL, WHERE IT'S SIX VOLTAGE DISTURBANCES WITHIN 90 SECONDS. I ALSO RAN THAT BY SPWG AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD STARTING POINT. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, I GOTTA USE A DIFFERENT ANALOGY HERE, THROWING A DART ON THIS A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE CAN DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH. UM, BUT WE TRIED TO DO SOME OF THE SURVEY ANALYSIS FOR I-B-R-W-G FOR NORE 2 45. UM, BUT SIX I, I'VE NEVER SEEN SIX RE-CLOSING ATTEMPTS AT ERCOT. USUALLY IT'S TWO, IT'S THE ORIGINAL FAULT AND LIKE TWO OTHER RECLOSERS. SO WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE SIX WITHIN THE 92ND PERIOD. BUT IT'S, THE SHOT CLOCK IS RUNNING OUT. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO LOOK AT THESE, BUT THIS IS, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN WORK WITH. AND AGAIN, UH, CHANGING THE EXEMPTION DATE TO 11 14, 20 25 TO SIX 30. AGAIN, BY MOVING THIS OUT, NOT ONLY ARE WE EXEMPTING THE LOADS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED SINCE NOVEMBER 14TH, BUT IF WE MOVE IT IN THE FUTURE, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE LOADS THAT ARE GONNA BE REALLY PUSHING TO GET APPROVED SO THEY COULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE RIDE THROUGH REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT REALLY GOES AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. UM, AND IT'S REALLY GONNA IMPACT SYSTEM RELIABILITY. IT'S GONNA IMPACT FUTURE CURTAIL MOOD LOADS AS WELL. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS RESPONSE TOGETHER BY TOMORROW. UM, THAT IS THE DESIRE. SO WE CAN HAVE A WEEK BEFORE THE ROSS VOTE, UH, NEXT WEEK. OH, COUPLE MORE SLIDES. SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS DONE. ALRIGHT, UH, WE GOT SOME CH UM, COMMENTS FROM TEXAS BLOCKCHAIN COUNCIL AND SHAPER ENERGY CONSULTANTS. UM, WE DISCUSSED THE FIRST TBC COMMENTS AT LOWG. UM, CRYPTO FACILITIES ARE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME MEETING THE LOW VOLTAGE RIDE THROUGH. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY TRIP OFF BELOW 0.7 PER UNIT AT 20 MILLISECONDS. THEY DON'T HAVE UPS. UM, THEY'RE SAYING THE B-E-S-S-U-P-S OPTIONS ARE NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR THEM. UH, I, I DON'T HAVE A A GOOD RESPONSE FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN'T, IT'S 0.7 AT 20 MILLISECONDS. WE CAN'T HAVE THOUSANDS OF MEGAWATTS TRIPPING OFF FOR THAT. UH, WE ALREADY ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN. UH, WITH THE EXEMPTED LOADS, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO COMPOUND IN THE SITUATION AS WELL. UM, THEY ARE EXPLORING A POTENTIAL PILOT PROJECT WITH EXISTING BES THAT MAYBE THAT EXISTING B-E-S-B-E-S-S COULD PROVIDE THE RIGHT THROUGH FOR THEM. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. THE CONTROLS WILL BE TRICKY. UM, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME MARKET IMPLICATIONS. THERE IS SOME RULE CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA BE NEEDED FOR THAT AS WELL, BUT I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THAT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO, TO DIG INTO. UM, SO WE MAY LOOK AT THAT WITH THEM AS WELL. AND THE LAST TWO COMMENTS I RECEIVED LAST WEEK ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW. THEY'RE NOT PROVO PROPOSING ANY REVISIONS, ANY TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. THEY'RE MORE OF, YOU KNOW, ERCOT NEEDS TO BE LOOKING AT OTHER TRANSMISSION MARKET SOLUTIONS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UM, THE EXEMPTION DATE, WHICH I'VE, WE'VE COVERED IN OTHER COMMENTS AS WELL. A LOT OF THIS WAS COVERED IN THE COMMENTS BACK, THE RESPONSE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DCC COMMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO, I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THESE BEFORE NEXT WEEK. UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PLAN IS ON THOSE JUST YET. UM, LAST ONE IS THE NPRR 13 0 8. AGAIN, WE REALLY NEED TO GET A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS. WE, WE GOT THE COMMENTS FROM DCC FROM THEIR ORIGINAL COMMENTS THAT THEY EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT EVEN DEFINING LEL PUTS THEM AT RISK, UM, FROM OTHER, AND WE'RE KIND OF SINGLING OUT THOSE, THOSE INDUSTRIES FROM OTHERS. BUT I THINK WE'VE ARGUED THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DO THIS. UM, BUT THERE'S NO PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE ACTUAL DEFINITION ITSELF THAT HAVE COME THROUGH. UM, AND THEN OUR, OUR COMMENTS FROM THE, THE NORE REFLECT FOR THE NPRR AS WELL. AND WE ALSO DIDN'T REALLY GET ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK FROM ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR WORKING GROUPS ON THE DEFINITION ITSELF. SO, UH, I THINK WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT DEFINITION AS IT EXISTS. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU PATRICK. UM, FIRST IN THE QUEUE IS BILL BARNES. THANKS PATRICK. APPRECIATE THE UPDATE ON THIS. IT'S, UH, WITH A LOT GOING ON, IT'S KINDA HARD TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING. SO I APPRECIATE THE UPDATE. UH, I HAD A QUESTION. I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND SET OF BLOCKCHAIN COUNCIL COMMENTS ON SLIDE. IT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE 11 OR 10. YEAH, SO THE PILOT PROJECT, UM, I'M JUST THINKING OF DAN FIN'S LIKE BRIDGE PICTURE THAT HE HAD AT ONE POINT WHERE WE'VE GOT A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO ADDRESS THESE RIGHT? THROUGH RISKS, WHICH IS A, THE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING HERE. BUT THEN HE MENTIONED SOME TYPE OF LIKE RESPONSIVE UP PRODUCT [03:30:01] OR A NEW MARKET PRODUCT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. THAT LAST BULLET UNDER THE BLOCKCHAIN COUNCIL COMMENTS ARE ASKING ABOUT IS WHETHER WE NEED A, WE NEED MORE FREQUENCY UP, UH, MITIGATION PRODUCTS DOWN, RIGHT? OR LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WHAT AN OVERSHOOT YEAH. HOW TO SOLVE AN OVERSHOOT PROBLEM OR A FREQUENCY PROBLEM. AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY, THEY KIND STILL CONSIDERING POTENTIALLY ADOPTING A MARKET, A NEW MARKET PRODUCT AS WELL IN ADDITION TO THESE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS. YES. UH, LUIS AND ITHACA ARE LOOKING INTO THAT. THEIR TEAM'S LOOKING INTO THAT. THEY, THEY CAME TO LLWG LAST WEEK, THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. THEY'RE, IT'S, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME POTENTIAL THERE TO HELP WITH A LOT OF IT. IT, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A SOLVE ALL TYPE SOLUTION. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF IT'S, AND THIS IS, I'M GONNA PUT ON PATRICK AND NOT THE ERCOT. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED TO HELP WITH THE EXISTING ISSUE FROM THE EXEMPTED LOADS RIGHT NOW, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THESE EVENTS WITH THESE, ALL THESE LOADS THAT ARE EXEMPTED. SO WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA NEED SOME KIND OF FREQUENCY DOWN REGULATION TO HELP WITH THAT. BUT TO CONTINUE ON WITH EVERYTHING BEING EXEMPT, UM, WE'RE THEN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TENS AND 20,000 MEGAWATTS OF THIS TYPE OF SERVICE WE'RE GONNA NEED AT ALL TIMES TO PROCURE FOR THESE MUCH POTENTIAL VERY LARGE EVENTS. SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO COME BACK, UM, PRETTY SOON WITH SOMETHING ON THAT. UM, THIS PROJECT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS WOULDN'T BE A FREQUENCY RESPONSE. THIS WOULD BE, HEY, OUR CRYPTO FACILITY IS GOING TO CONTRACT WITH THIS EXISTING BES TO ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE TO REPLACE OUR LOAD SH IF WE WERE TO TRIP. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTROLS THAT SAID, OKAY, THIS, THIS CRYPTO FACILITY IS CONSUMING 600 MEGAWATTS, THIS BATTERY'S ON STANDBY. IF THAT 600 TRIPS, YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH THAT 600 CHARGING IMMEDIATELY. SO THERE'S A CONTROL ASPECT THAT IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING. UM, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT BATTERY IS ALREADY CHARGING TO BEGIN WITH, HOW THAT WORKS. SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE PUT OUT THERE THAT THEY WERE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR EXISTING BES TO KIND OF HAVE THIS PROJECT WITH THEM. AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE MEETING WITH THEM TO KIND OF DISCUSS SOME OF THESE, HOW THIS WOULD WORK IN THE NEAR FUTURE. IS THERE A PROXIMITY ISSUE IF THEY'RE SEPARATE FACILITIES THAT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT? YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CONTROL ISSUE. LIKE HOW ARE IF'S IT COMES INTO ACCOUNT IN THE CONTROL. YEAH, SO I THINK IT'D HAVE TO BE CLOSE BY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY IS HOW THE BES SOLUTION'S GONNA WORK IN THE CO-LOCATED FACILITY. IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S A COUPLE BUSES AWAY AND IT'S THIS EXISTING THING. SO I, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE, IT'S A LOT OF, THAT'S A LOT FOR THEM TO WORK OUT, UH, BETWEEN EACH OTHER TO SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK AND WHAT KIND OF MARKET RULE IMPLICATIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE AS WELL. CHRIS MATOS, HI, CHRIS MATOS WITH GOOGLE. UM, I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR DCCS. UM, SECOND SET OF COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE DID REALLY WORK HARD TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE SPECIFICITY THAT ERCOT REQUESTED. UM, AND CONTEXTUALLY GOOGLE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH SVP ON THEIR SET OF REQUIREMENTS TO TRY AND GET INTO A PLACE THAT WORKS. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN GENERALLY CONVERGE AND ADDRESS THE DEEP VOLTAGE SAD ISSUES, UM, I THINK THIS MAY PATRICK HELPS SOME OF YOUR DATES ISSUE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE MORE AGREEMENT THERE IS ON SOME OF THESE SPECIFIC TERMS, THE EASIER IT BECOMES BECAUSE IT'S A SETTING OF ADJUSTMENT. THE DATA CENTER ITSELF, THE COMMENTS, KO'S PROPOSAL AS DRAFT AND AND DCCS COMMENTS REFLECTED SOME OF THIS, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES AT THE DATA CENTER WOULD BE CONSEQUENTIAL AND SIGNIFICANT IN ORDER, IN ORDER TO MEET PARTICULARLY THE D VOLTAGE VOLTAGE SAG PIECE. AND SO IT'S, IT IS OUR VIEW THAT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 90% CAN BE MET IF WE CAN DO THE 0.35. AND, AND FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE'VE LARGELY GOTTEN TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN DO THE ADDRESS FOR NOW. AND YOU KNOW, OUR HOPE WOULD BE AS WE CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE, WE CAN MAYBE MORE COLLABORATIVELY WORK, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN DEVELOPERS, DATA CENTER OPERATORS AND AND GRID OPERATORS ON HOW TO FIRM THAT UP AS PART OF A NATURAL CYCLE OF DEVELOPMENT. [03:35:01] AND, AND AGAIN, I HARP ON THE NEED FOR CERTAIN GRID SERVICES BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS, THIS IS A, UM, BIGGER LARGE LOAD LOSS ISSUE THAT IS REALLY JUST CONCEPTUALIZED BY VRT. AND SO WE SEE OURSELVES AS LIKE EXTENDING OUR HALF OF THE BRIDGE TO REALLY MEET OUT WITH THIS. AND SO I'M HOPING WE CAN, WE CAN FIND A LOT MORE COMPROMISE WITHIN THE THAT SECOND SET OF DCC RECOMMENDATIONS. THANKS CHRIS. NED, THANKS PATRICK FOR, FOR COMING AND WALKING THROUGH THIS WITH US. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE, THESE RIDE THROUGH ISSUES ARE EXTREMELY TECHNICAL AND, UH, EVEN FOR THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND IT'S, UH, IT'S HELPFUL TO, TO HAVE THE, THE LEVEL SET HERE. UM, SO I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. IT'S ACTUALLY ON YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE EXEMPTION CRITERIA DATE. AND IT, IT ALMOST DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH TO DO WITH LARGE ELECTRONIC LOADS AS IT DOES WITH THE, THE PRINCIPLE BEHIND IT AND KIND OF WHAT THE PRECEDENT THAT WE SET WHEN WE START APPLYING RETROACTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THRESHOLD DATES. AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SOMETHING WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY STRUGGLED AND, AND RESISTED AGAINST, RIGHT? UH, AS A PRINCIPAL, WE LIKE TO HAVE THOSE ON A GO FORWARD BASIS. UM, SO WHEN, WHEN WE SAW THE DCC COMMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET IN THE WAY, IF THEY SAY SIX 30 IS, IS A, IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THEY CAN LIVE WITH AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, THAT WON'T BE APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION AT THAT POINT IN TIME, EVEN IF THE BOARD ENDORSES IT ON, YOU KNOW, THE JUNE 1ST, JUNE 2ND BOARD MEETING. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'D FLAGGED AS SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE MOVE EVEN JUST MARK OUT TO WHEREVER IT'S, IT'S EFFECTIVE. UM, AND I RECOGNIZE YOU, YOU, YOU'VE RAISED CONCERNS. I WAS, I WAS WONDERING ONE, IF YOU COULD PUT SOME CHARACTERISTIC ON THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE LOAD THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE IMPLICATED BY MOVING BACK, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY FROM JU YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER 14TH TO CALL IT JUNE OR MAYBE JULY. UM, AND THEN THIS IS JUMPING AHEAD IN THE AGENDA A LITTLE BIT, AND I HATE TO PUT BOBMEYER ON THE SPOT, BUT I SAW BOB IN YOUR SLIDES, YOU'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTANT TURNOVER IN THE COMPUTING FACILITIES PLUS THE, YOU KNOW, UPS TO BE DETERMINED UPS, UH, TECHNOLOGIES. AND SO I WANTED TO THINK THROUGH WHETHER THERE'S A WAY TO, TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE, THE, THE FACT THAT MAYBE THERE'S A, SOME ROOM TO, TO BRING THOSE CONCEPTS TOGETHER WHERE YOU KNOW THAT THE LOADS ARE GONNA EVOLVE ONCE THEY'RE ENERGIZED AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO IMPROVE. AND, UM, I, I HATE TO EVEN USE THE TERM MAXIMIZE BECAUSE , I KNOW THAT'S GONNA BRING PTSD FROM NOGA 2 45 AND ERIC, ERIC MIGHT RUN UP , I'M GONNA SMACK YOU. YEAH, BOB SMACK ME. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO TRY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, USE THE FACT THAT IT'S OF DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGY AND, AND ENHANCE RELIABILITY, ENHANCE COMPLIANCE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE, THE, THE FACT THAT THESE WON'T ACTUALLY BE APPROVED AND IN EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THE COMMISSION LOOKS AT 'EM. OKAY. SO, UH, I THINK YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE, THE NUMBERS. UM, AND I, I AM TRYING TO GET THAT, I ANTICIPATE THAT QUESTION. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LARGE LOAD INTEGRATION TEAM. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT SO SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IS EXEMPTED RIGHT NOW WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE, I MEAN, WE TRACK WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED FROM THE LLIS, UM, THAT'S KIND OF EASY. BUT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE 9.5 CRITERIA OF THE NOTICE RECEIPT AND ALL THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALL THOSE DATES HAVE BEEN TRACKED. SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THOSE NUMBERS. BUT JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY LARGE LOAD INTEGRATION, I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO, UM, THE CON INTERCONNECTION QUEUE SLIDES THAT WE PRESENTED L-L-L-G-B-G, NOW I THINK IF YOU GO BACK TO NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR, IT WAS AROUND, UM, 20 GIGAWATTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, AND THAT WOULD ALL BE EXEMPT. WELL, THAT PORTION THAT MET THE 9.5, ALL OF THAT WOULD BE EXEMPTED. UM, PLUS WE ALWAYS, WE ALSO HAVE WENT THROUGH RPG THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH LLI ALL, A LOT OF THAT, THAT'S ALREADY OPERATIONAL IS EXEMPTED AS WELL. ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE OPERATIONAL THIS YEAR WILL BE EXEMPTED. THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH ALL I ONE, BUT THROUGH RPG. UM, SO THERE IS A CONSIDERATE AMOUNT OF THIS LOAD THAT'S GOING TO BE EXEMPTED. NOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE 9.4 CRITERIA BETWEEN NOVEMBER AND NOW, I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT A DIFFERENCE OF 3,600 MEGAWATTS OF LOADS THAT'S BEEN APPROVED SINCE THEN. UM, NOW THAT'S JUST, IF WE PUT IT NOW, IF WE PUT IT BACK AT JUNE OR LATER, THAT'S GOING TO [03:40:01] BALLOON UP QUITE A BIT. AND OUR THINKING IS THAT, HEY, WE, WE PUT THESE REQUIREMENTS OUT THERE. EVERYONE KNEW THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS WERE COMING. I KNOW THEY WEREN'T OFFICIAL YET, BUT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CHANGE A LOT. BUT WE WERE SAYING, HEY, WE ARE GOING TO NEED YOU TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THROUGH TO SOME CAPACITY NOW WHAT WE CAN DO BETWEEN THE NOVEMBER 14TH AND NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA TRACK. AND WE, WE REALLY WROTE THESE IN A WAY TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FACILITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY PROCURED THEIR EQUIPMENT. THEY'RE ALREADY BEING BUILT THERE. IT IS TOO LATE FOR THEM TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN FOR A RIDE THROUGH. WE REALLY TRIED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT WE WANTED TO SAY, HEY, NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMING. THOSE FACILITIES THAT MAY HAVE JUST DECIDED TO GO THROUGH BUSINESS AS USUAL AND, AND NOT LOOK AT THOSE RIGHT THROUGH REQUIREMENTS. IT'S, IT IS TOUGH FOR US TO GO BACK AND SAY, OH, WE, WE WANT TO EXEMPT THOSE AS WELL, OR ONES THAT PROCURED EQUIPMENT BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN APPROVED BY ERCOT, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GO BACK AND TRACK EVERY ONE OF THESE FACILITIES AND SAY, WHEN DID YOU BUY YOUR EQUIPMENT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES, THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT. UM, SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT ABOUT THE DATE AND MOVING THE DATE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE OVER MY HEAD, I COULD TELL YOU THAT. UM, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE REASONINGS WHY WE, WE ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO, TO MOVING THAT FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY WORKING WITH A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RISK. NOW, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAYBE SAY, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THIS VERY LOW VOLTAGE, OKAY, GOT A FACILITY HERE THAT GOT APPROVED. I MEAN, THEY GOT APPROVED BEFORE NOVEMBER 14TH, AND THEY'RE EXEMPT ALREADY, BUT THEY STILL MIGHT WANT TO TRY TO, UM, MAX MAXIMIZE THEIR RIDE THROUGH ABILITY JUST TO AVOID ANY KIND OF CURTAILMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WE DON'T, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT FOR SURE. UM, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF IT, THEY GOT APPROVED AFTER NOVEMBER 14TH, I THINK THOSE MIGHT BE THE ONES THAT WE KIND OF HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT. AND I, I, I CAN'T SAY I'M GONNA ALLOW SOME EXEMPTIONS FOR THIS AND FOR THAT JUST YET. UM, BUT WE'RE AWARE OF THE SITUATION, UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO EVALUATE IT AS WELL. OKAY. UH, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE VOICEOVER AND I'M LOOKING AT THE INTERCONNECTION QUEUE REPORT. IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVED ENERGIZE, BUT NOT OPERATIONAL. CURRENTLY THAT'S ABOUT THREE GIGS, BUT THE PLANNING STUDY IS APPROVED, AND I'M LOOKING AT 2030 IS ABOUT 19.5 GIGS. SO IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS, YEAH, THAT'S ALREADY THE BRACKETS. YEAH. OKAY. AND, UM, NOW YOU GOTTA ADD THE RRP G STUFF TOO, AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CALCULATE THAT ALL UP RIGHT NOW. GOTCHA. OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THE EXPERIENCE FROM NOER 2 45 WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH YOU PUT THE REQUIREMENTS OUT AND EVERYONE'S ON NOTICE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE SOME REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURERS, THEY WAIT FILL UNTIL THE, YOU KNOW, THE RULES ARE FINAL BEFORE THEY CAN START REALLY PLANNING TO SUPPORT IT. AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THE, THE LARGE LOAD RIDE THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT. SO I'M PUTTING THIS OUT THERE JUST GENERALLY AS, AS KIND OF A, A LESSON LEARNED THERE IS THAT HAVING SOME RUNWAY ON THE BACK END FOR THE OEMS TO CATCH UP IS, IS HELPFUL. YEAH. UM, BUT I APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE COMMENTS AND THE FEEDBACK. I, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING, YOU KNOW, BOB'S VOICEOVER FROM HIS PRESENTATION. AND I, I JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST VOICE THE, THE, THE PRINCIPLED, UH, CONCERN WE HAVE ON THE, ON THE DATE. AND YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. HEAR HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. YOU ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT TWO MORE IN THE QUEUE NOW, AND THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO WRAP THIS UP AND MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA. SO WE'VE GOT KRISTEN, I'M SORRY, CHRISTIE, AND THEN KEVIN CHRISTIE. THANKS MARTHA. UM, IN ONE OF THE PRE, I'M PIGGYBACKING BY THE WAY, ON, ON BILL BARNES'S, UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR A NEW ANCILLARY SERVICE TO BE DEVELOPED. ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, FORGIVE ME, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE. HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS NEW SERVICE MAY BE TEED UP AT THE I-B-R-W-G MEETING, UM, WHERE IT WILL LIKELY BE UNVEILED AND FIRST DISCUSSED. AND I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A NEW ANCILLARY SERVICE TO SORT OF BE INTRODUCED AND DISCUSSED. IT SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE THAT, UM, THE WMWG, UH, IN COLLABORATION WITH MAYBE THE OWG OR ANOTHER GROUP THAT IS MORE HEAVILY ATTENDED BY A WIDER SWATH OF STAKEHOLDERS MIGHT BE A BETTER REVIEW TO HAVE THE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ON THIS RATHER THAN, UM, THE I-B-R-W-G THAT REALLY ISN'T ATTENDED BY A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT I THINK WOULD CARE ABOUT THIS STUFF. YEAH, I, I THINK ONCE WE ARE READY TO UNVEIL A PROPOSAL, WILL WILL MAKE THE FULL ROUNDS. [03:45:01] UM, I THINK IT'LL GO TO, YOU KNOW, ROSS TECH, I-B-R-W-G-L-O-W-G, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE, SO IT WON'T BE JUST ONE PARTICULAR GROUP. I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK MY, MY AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT GETS ROLLED INTO, YOU KNOW, AN ANCILLARY SERVICE METHODOLOGY AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY. BUT I THINK MY POINT IS, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE I-B-R-W-G IS THE APPROPRIATE FIRST GROUP THAT GETS DISCUSSED WHERE IT GETS DISCUSSED. THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY, YEAH, I, I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IT WAS GONNA BE FIRST DISCUSSED AT IBR WG. UM, OKAY. I THINK BOB, HEY. HEY, CHRISTIE, THIS IS, THIS IS BOB WHAT? MERRICK CHAIR, THE GROUP? I, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE POTENTIALLY AS FAR ALONG AS YOU MAY BE THINKING. I THINK RIGHT NOW IT IS STILL IN A, COULD A BATTERY LOCATED NEAR A DATA CENTER PROVIDE THIS SERVICE? I THINK WE ARE A VERY LONG WAY FROM IMPLEMENTING OR EVEN DESIGNING SUCH A SERVICE. I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S PRIMARILY KIND OF AN ENGINEER SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD, IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS? SO I, I THINK WE'RE A WAYS AWAY FROM THAT, BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY NEED, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE LOT MORE ATTENTION BEFORE IT BECAME AN ANCILLARY SERVICE. BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S MORE JUST A CONCEPT THAT MAYBE THIS WOULD WORK. KEVIN? YEAH. UH, JUST A CONCEPT HERE IS THAT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE AS THE, AGAIN, PART ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING OVER TIME AND WHAT CHIPS ARE CAPABLE OF DOING IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL FOR ERCOT. CONSIDER LOOKING AT LIKE A STOPLIGHT APPROACH TO THE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR VERSIONS OF CHIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO PEOPLE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT WOULD FALL UNDER, UM, UM, PASSING REQUIREMENTS, WHATEVER FINAL REQUIREMENTS LOOK LIKE FROM ERCOT. SO AS THINGS EVOLVE, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 150 TO 300 GIGAWATTS POTENTIALLY A NEW LOAD. SO IF WE COULD HAVE THINGS AHEAD OF TIME SAYING, HERE'S THE SHOPPING LIST WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT, HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, UH, DIFFERENT CHIP MANUFACTURERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THE CAPABILITIES BAKED INTO THEIR CA THE EQUIPMENT ALREADY BE BENEFICIAL TO CONSIDER. SO THAT WAY WHEN YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH HER IN THE FUTURE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FASTER, JUST THOUGHT. OKAY. THANKS KEVIN. UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M STILL KIND OF STRUGGLED TO KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL TIP CHIP TECHNOLOGY HAS TO DO WITH THE RIDE THROUGH. I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT THE UPS DESIGNS, THE BS SOLUTION, THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, AS FAR AS A CHIP, THAT'S MORE OF LIKE WHAT KIND OF OSCILLATIONS YOU MIGHT BE SEEING, WHAT KIND OF POWER YOU'RE DRAWING. BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE WRITTEN, TRYING TO BE TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE GRID SIDE AT CERTAIN VOLTAGE LEVELS AND FREQUENCY LEVELS, WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING THAT FACILITY TO DO AS AN AGGREGATE IN DIGGING INTO EACH TECHNOLOGY AND WRITING REQUIREMENTS FOR EACH TECHNOLOGY, UH, IS, IS NOT A DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING. I, I THINK IF THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE NO, IT'S, YES. MORE. I THINK SINCE WE GET THE ERCOT GRIT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, POSSIBLY THEY CAN DO THEIR, SOME OF THAT WORK THERE SO THAT THEY CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS AND SAY, YEAH, HERE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, HERE'S THE ANSWERS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO HEARING ANY OF THAT, UM, HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. OKAY. SO Q'S EMPTY. PATRICK, BEFORE WE RELEASE YOU, IF YOU COULD JUST GO BACK TO SLIDE TWO ONE MORE TIME. WE APPRECIATE THE UPDATE TODAY. I KNOW IT WAS VERY DETAILED, BUT I THINK YOU'VE CAUGHT EVERYBODY UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR, AND WE CAN EXPECT TO SEE SOME ERCOT COMMENTS MAYBE AS EARLY AS TOMORROW IF WE'RE LUCKY. I HOPE SO. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE ERCOT IS GONNA BE REQUESTING A VOTE NEXT WEEK AT ROSS ON THE NOREEN NPRR. THEN THAT WOULD ADVANCE THE NPRR TO PRS THINK THE NORMAL PRS APRIL MEETING MIGHT BE A VOTING CANDIDATE FOR THAT. AND THAT WOULD LAND BOTH OF THOSE HERE AT THE APRIL TAC MEETING ON THE 29TH. SO MAYBE NEXT MONTH, IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF GET US CAUGHT UP ON WHAT HAPPENS FROM TODAY UP TO APRIL 29TH, THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE THE LONGER HISTORY TODAY. AND, UH, JUST ONE LAST, UH, CALL TO THESE DATES FOR FOLKS TO BE LOOKING AT, TO KIND OF WRAP UP ANY OTHER COMMENTING THAT PEOPLE PLAN TO DO AND JUST GETTING UP TO SPEED ON THE ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN, UM, TAKE A SHOT AT VOTING THIS OUT NEXT MONTH. ARE THERE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR PATRICK BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY, THANK YOU. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. UM, WE TOOK UP RPG IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, BUT THAT SORT OF WRAPPED UP OUR TAG PRIORITY ITEMS. [03:50:01] MARTHA'S GOING TO CHECK SOMETHING REALLY QUICK, BUT WE ARE HOPING TO START TO TAKE SOME VOTES AT APRIL PRS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET A BUNCH OF STUFF TOT AT APRIL AND MAY TAX. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF EXTRA PRS MEETINGS, ROSS MEETINGS AND TAC MEETINGS SCHEDULED STARTING MID APRIL. UM, SO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE. GO TO ROSS, GO TO PRS STARTING NEXT WEEK, OR YOU CAN'T COMPLAIN. MM-HMM . YEAH, THE ONLY ONES DRS IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. I WON'T TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I'LL SAY THE WORD. UM, I, SO I THINK WE WE'RE KIND OF LOOSELY TARGETING VOTING ON, UM, THE, THE LOAD RIDE THROUGH AND DRS AT APRIL TAX SO THAT WE CAN TARGET BATCH LOAD AT THE MAY TAX, YOU KNOW? OKAY. YEAH. BE READY TO VOTE IN APRIL OR EX OR, UH, SPEND THE NIGHT IN MAY IS YEAH, WHAT, WHAT I HEAR OUT OF THAT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FORCE A VOTE, BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, UM, OR, OR A POSITION, YOU KNOW, BE TELEGRAPHING THAT TO, TO THE GROUP AND, AND FILE COMMENTS AND ALL THAT. OKAY. SO WE ARE BACK [8. Large Load Working Group (LLWG) Report] TO REGULAR AGENDA, UM, LARGE LOAD WORKING GROUP REPORT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE 15 MINUTES ON THE AGENDA. LET'S SEE HOW I DO. UM, I'M GONNA TELL YOU AFTER WORK OR A SYMPOSIUM THIS WEEK ON LARGE LOADS, BATCH LOADS YESTERDAY, I'M SICK OF TALKING ABOUT LARGE LOADS, BUT GETTING ON WITH IT. UM, SO WE MET MARCH 13TH, WHICH WAS A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS AGO. AG SPRINGER BROUGHT OUT THE, UM, GENERATION INTER, OR THE LARGE LOAD INTERCONNECTION QUEUE, WHICH I'M GONNA SHOW IN JUST A SECOND. UH, WE GOT A GOOD PRESENTATION ON TIMELINES FOR DATA CENTER BUILD OUT, WHICH CAUSED RIGHT INTO NED'S CONVERSATION EARLIER. UM, WE HAD A DISCUSSION OF NORE 2 82, WHICH YOU'VE PRETTY WELL GOTTEN ALREADY. MARK HENRY GAVE AN UPDATE ON TR ON FROM TRE ON NERC ACTIVITY, AND THAT'S GONNA BECOME KIND OF A STANDARD UPDATE. WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, CLR AND BRING YOUR OWN GENERATION. WE TALKED ABOUT IT A WHOLE LOT MORE YESTERDAY. UM, UH, WE HAD A, UH, REVIEW OF THE LEL FREQUENCY LIMITS STUDY, TALKED ABOUT, UH, PIGGER, UH, 1 44, WHICH IS A MODELING ONE, AS WELL AS A DRAFT UPDATE, DRAFT UPDATE TO, UH, DWG. SO LARGE LOAD INTERCONNECTION QUEUE. VERY FIRST THING I NEED TO POINT OUT. 238 GIGAWATTS HERE. SEE THIS BIG RED NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANOTHER 137 GIGAWATTS. SO, UM, YOUR REAL NUMBER IS UP HERE AROUND THREE 70 GIGAWATTS. AND EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES THAT SHOULD BE BUYING BRIDGES. UM, HOWEVER, UM, THE REALITY IS, ANY PROJECT THAT GETS APPROVED IS A REAL PROJECT BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL BUY THE THING. UM, SO THAT IS, THAT IS KIND OF THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD SLIDE. THE CRUSO PUT TOGETHER, THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT TIME IT TAKES TO BUILD A DATA CENTER AFTER YOU GET ERCOT APPROVAL. AND THIS IS FAIRLY OPTIMISTIC. SO IT'S AN 18 MONTH BUILD OUT, RIGHT FROM THE TIME ERCOT SAID YES OVER HERE UNTIL THEY COULD COME ONLINE. MANY OF THEM ARE LONGER THAN THAT, BUT WHEN YOU HEAR ALL OF THE GRIPING ABOUT NEEDING TO BE IN BATCH ZERO, ALL THE COMPLAINING ABOUT NOER 2 82, A NEW ONE THAT'S GONNA COME UP REGARDING OSCILLATIONS OF THE LOAD, THE REASON PEOPLE ARE HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME WITH THAT AS THEY GOT ERCOT APPROVAL BACK HERE, THE, THE CRITERIA IS CHANGING IN THIS TIMEFRAME. AND THEY'VE ALREADY BUILT, THEY'VE SELECTED THEIR GPUS, THEY BUILT THEIR SUBSTATIONS, THEY RE, YOU KNOW, THEY PROCURED THE EQUIPMENT AND THEN WE'RE KIND OF SAYING, OH, WAIT, STOP, WE NEED TO TU. UM, AND THAT'S ALSO THE REASON WE NEED THE BATCH PROCESS, BUT THIS IS THE REAL CHALLENGE THE MARKET IS FACING. UM, NOW THE RELIABILITY FACTOR, THE RELIABILITY ISSUES ARE REAL AS WELL, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S DRIVING AN AWFUL LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS. ALL RIGHT. UM, THIS SLIDE I THOUGHT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. THIS SHOWS THE VOLTAGE RIDE [03:55:01] THROUGH EXPECTATIONS. UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON, COMING OUT OF NORE 2 82, I THOUGHT THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL SLIDES I HAD SEEN FROM ERCOT IN A WHILE. SO I REALLY THOUGHT THIS WAS, WAS WORTH EVERYBODY AT LEAST BEING AWARE THAT THIS IS OUT THERE AVAILABLE. AND FOR ME AT LEAST, IT WAS FAIRLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. UH, ALRIGHT, UM, I'M NOT GONNA COVER THIS A WHOLE LOT. UM, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT EXTENSIVELY AT THE BATCH PROCESS YESTERDAY. UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE LOADS WERE REALLY LOOKING FOR WAS, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING CLR AS A POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY FEASIBLE WAY TO GET INTO AN EARLIER BATCH STUDY. UM, HOW TO DEAL WITH BEHIND THE METER GENERATION, DISPATCHABLE BEHIND THE METER GENERATION, UM, AND THEN HOW TO DEAL WITH SELF-LIMITING FACILITIES. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY. HE'S TALKED ABOUT A WHOLE LOT MORE YESTERDAY AT THE, UM, BATCH WORKSHOP. OKAY, SO BACK ALSO TO I THINK SOMETHING NED SAID BEFORE, UM, MODELING CHALLENGES FOR THESE LARGE LOADS. THE REALITY IS DEVELOPERS BUILD OUT THESE SITES. IT'S GENERALLY NOT THE BIG NAME DATA CENTERS THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT, IT'S SMALLER DEVELOPERS, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW AND THEY DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT IS BEING BUILT BEHIND THEIR SITE. UM, TODAY EVERYBODY IS CHASING AFTER THE AI DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE MONEY. UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO IT WAS CRYPTO, UM, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IS IT HYDROGEN? IS IT AMMONIA? IS IT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT? BUT PROBLEM WITH A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS THEY DON'T KNOW EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS UNTIL THEY START BUYING EQUIPMENT. AND REMEMBER BACK HERE, ERCOT APPROVAL WAS BACK HERE. ENERGIZATION IS HERE, THEY'RE BUYING EQUIPMENT AFTER THEY GET ERCOT APPROVAL SOMETIMES BY SIGNIFICANT TIMES. UM, AH, THERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN THE OTHER THING IS FOR THESE, UM, LARGE ELECTRONIC LOADS, THE EQUIPMENT CHANGES FASTER THAN YOUR LAPTOP. UM, ERCOT PROCESSES TAKE YEARS TO DO. IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE TRANSMISSION BUILT, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SIX YEARS, RIGHT? ANYBODY WANT TO TELL ME THE FEATURES OF AN IPHONE 23 TODAY? AND BY THE WAY, WE NEED YOU TO ATTEST TO IT OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESTUDY YOU. THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UM, NOW THERE IS RELIABILITY ASPECT. WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO DO THE MODELING CLOSER TO WHEN THE LOADS ARE REALLY COMING ONLINE. UM, YEAH. NEXT MEETING IS APRIL 24TH. I EXPECT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT PIGGER 1 44 SOME MORE. UM, AND WE DO HAVE A VENDOR COMING IN TO SHOW HOW THEY CAN MEET, UM, NOER 2 82 WITH A, WITH A DATA CENTER. SO WITH THAT, I AM AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SO WE HAVE TIME FOR SOME QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY BROTH. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR QUESTION? YEAH, MORE OF A COMMENT. I THINK ON THAT SLIDE THAT I PRESENTED BOB, UH, UH, SHOW THE TIMELINES. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF, UH, EMPHASIZE AGAIN THE, THE CERTAINTY ASPECT OF GETTING ER COTS APPROVAL RIGHT AT T EQUAL TO ZERO. I MEAN, THINK ABOUT, TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, UH, FOR IF WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING AN APPROVAL TODAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT Q4 27 OR Q1 OF 28. IF WE TAKE THE AGGRESSIVE TIMELINES TO ENERGIZE THIS TIMELINE, SO NOW THE, GIVEN THAT BATCH FIGURE 1 45 STATES THAT WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL JULY 10TH TO KNOW CERTAIN THINGS MEANS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, Q3 OR Q4 OF 28 ALREADY, UH, FROM THERE ON. SO JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR THE CURRENT BIGGER ONE 15 APPROVAL PROCESS TO, UH, BE, UH, A REALLY IMPORTANT TOOL TO, FOR THESE SHORT TERM 24, 28 LOANS. SO, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I TRIED TO COVER THAT, BUT YEAH, IT DEFINITELY. ALRIGHT, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE SEVEN? SLIDE SEVEN. THERE'S LIKE SOME CREATIVE CAPITALIZATION HERE. COMPUTER EQUIPMENT AND COMPUTERS. . HEY, I'M AN ENGINEER. LEAVE ME ALONE . WE DO, WE DO LIKE THE FONT. I REALLY LIKE THE FONT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC DEFINED. NO, IT'S NOT COMPUTER EQUIPMENT. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT. SORRY BOB. HAVE TO KEEP MYSELF ENTERTAINED. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, [04:00:01] I'M STILL GIVING YOU BACK SIX MINUTES AND 36 SECONDS. AND BOB, YOU HAVE TO BE AT ROSS TO, UH, HELP THEM WITH THE FIRST VOTE ON 2 82, PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. I'M SORRY FOR GIVING YOU A HARD TIME, BOB. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING OVER THERE. IT'S A LOT. UM, NOW WITH THAT, WE [9. ROS Report] ARE MOVING TO THE ROSS REPORT, UH, SANDEEP. YEP. I'M HERE. AND THIS SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK. UH, WE HAD A GOOD ROSS, UH, MEETING. WE HAD ONE VOTING ITEM FOR Y'ALL, NPR 1307, THE DEFINITION OF MITIGATION PLAN. UH, IT FOLLOWS THE APPROVAL OF I THINK, 2 81. THAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS STACK MEETING. UH, AND ROSS'S ACTIONS, WE DISCUSSED THE IN KIND DEFINITION, UM, THAT RECEIVED SOME, UH, DISCUSSION. SO IT WAS REFERRED TO DWGP, PLWG, SOME, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE CHANGES. BIGGER 1 43 BEING ONE OF THEM. UH, BIGGER 1 44, UH, WILL NEED A LOT MORE DISCUSSION BOTH AT LLWG. AND AS MENTIONED HERE AT DWG AND PLWG, WE RECEIVED A VICE CHAIR, UH, FOR THE O-T-D-W-G, MIKE FLORES. UH, SO THAT WAS APPROVED AS WELL AS PART OF THE, UM, MARCH ROSS. UH, AND THE LAST ITEM HERE IS THE TECH ASSIGNMENT ON THE EPA REGULATIONS WAS, UH, UPDATED. SO WE HAVE A ONE LESS ACTION ITEM TO CARRY FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. UM, BEYOND THIS, WE JUST HAVE, UH, I THINK I LIST OF ALL THE OUTSTANDING GERS AND FIGURES. I WON'T WALK THROUGH THEM, UH, INDIVIDUALLY, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS. UH, AT THE ROSS. UH, Y'ALL ALREADY HEARD ABOUT THE REQUEST ABOUT NOER 2 82 AND, UH, SO I WON'T REPEAT IT, BUT THAT'S THE, THE PLAN AND THE INTENT IS TO, UH, PUT, PUT THAT, UH, WORK AND, UH, HOPE IT GOES THROUGH, UH, SMOOTHLY. A LOT OF GOOD WORK WAS DONE ON THAT. AND GOOD, GOOD REVIEW OF ALL THE ISSUES, UH, AND ALL THE COMMENTS AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED SO FAR. OKAY. YEAH, AND I, I WON'T TELL BOB WHITMEYER WHAT TO DO, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, I THINK ROSS CAN COORDINATE, UH, THE DISCUSSION. WE HAD IN PLANNING TECH WAS NOT JUST THE NOER, BUT THE, THE NPRR 1308, I THINK, YEAH, YOU WOULD ATTEMPT TO, TO VOTE THROUGH AT THE SAME TIME. AND I THINK MORE OF THE NPR DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED AT LLWG, BUT THE NPR HAS BEEN REFERRED TO ROSS. SO IF WE COULD DO A LITTLE BIT OF YES COORDINATION THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD PUT US IN GOOD SHAPE. GOT THAT. AND, UH, I THINK IF WE STEP DOWN TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, ONE QUICK THING YEP. IS, UH, JUST A REMINDER OF ALL THE, ALL THE ROSSES THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE REST OF APRIL. UH, ONE, ONE SMALL CHANGE. WE HAD A WEBEX ONLY PLAN FOR APRIL 2ND THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED TO MORE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO HAVE A HYBRID SET UP. 14 AND 23RD WILL BE FOCUSED ON BIGGER 1 45. KIND OF CARRY FORWARD WHAT THE WORKSHOPS COULDN'T FINISH. BUT I'M POSITIVE OR OPTIMISTIC AT LEAST THAT, UH, WE'LL GET TO A GOOD POINT BY THE TIME THE WORKSHOPS ARE OVER AND THESE WILL BE USED TO MORE FINALIZED SOME, UM, STICKING POINTS. JUST BEING OPTIMISTIC THERE. UH, THAT'S ALL FROM ME, UH, ON THE LAST UPDATE. OKAY. THANKS. AND SO THERE'S THE EXTRA MEETINGS FOR ROSS. WE HAVE EXTRA MEETINGS FOR TAC AND THE CHANGE FROM WEBEX ONLY TO NOT REMINDED ME. I'VE DISCUSSED WITH ANNE. I THINK WE CAN COMMIT TO, YOU KNOW, SENDING OUT NOTICES TO TAC PRS AND THE SUBCOMMITTEES IF WE CHANGE MEETINGS. 'CAUSE WE KEEP KIND OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS ISN'T FIRM YET. SO IF THINGS CHANGE TO WEBEX ONLY OR WE DECIDE WE DON'T NEED A MEETING, WE'LL WE'LL TRY TO SEND IT OUT TO TAC AND SUBCOMMITTEE LIST SERVES. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. UM, WE [10. WMS Report] UP TO BLAKE WMS REPORT. BLAKE HOLT WITH, UH, WMS HERE. UM, WANTED TO START OFF AND HIGHLIGHT THE DISPOSITION OF SOME NPR R THAT WERE ON OUR TABLE. UH, WE SENT NPR 1320 TO SAWG FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT. UH, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD FOUR NPR R THAT WE ENDORSED, UH, I BELIEVE TAC APPROVED OR WILL APPROVE, UH, 1275 PERHAPS LATER. UH, IN THE MEETING, UM, WE DID HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WE ASSIGNED OUT AS WELL. UH, NUMBER ONE, THE LIST OF, UH, THE RTCB TASK [04:05:01] FORCE, UH, LIST OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES. WE CREATED SOME DRAFT ACTION ITEMS AND SENT TO WMWG AND CMWG TO REVIEW. I ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'LL GET BACK TO US AT OUR NEXT MEETING WITH ANY MODIFICATIONS THEY HAVE TO THOSE. UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD A REQUEST FOR, UH, ERCOT TO DO A DEEPER DIVE ON A FEBRUARY 13TH GTC SOFTWARE ISSUE THAT WE RECEIVED NOTICE ABOUT IN A MARKET NOTICE. UH, I BELIEVE THE, UH, MARCH 16TH CMWG TOOK THIS UP. SO WE WILL HEAR A REPORT BACK ON THAT. AND THEN WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE, UH, NONS SPEND DEPLOYMENT AND RECALL PROCEDURE EARLIER IN THE MEETING. SO WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE. UH, WE HAD TWO IN-DEPTH DISCUSSIONS AT OUR MARCH 4TH MEETING. UH, THE FIRST OF WHICH WAS NPR 1296. UH, THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL DEMAND RESPONSE, UH, NPRR FROM ERCOT. THIS RESIDENTIAL DEMAND RESPONSE ISN'T INSTRUCTED BY ERCOT, SO THEY HAVE NO WAY TO CAPTURE IT IN THEIR RELIABILITY DEPLOYS RELIABILITY, DEPLOYMENT PRICE AT OR LOGIC. SO THEY'VE, UH, PRESENTED SOME ANALYSIS OF A, OF A PROXY, UH, VALUE WHEN THEY COULD DEPLOY, OR A PROXY TIME PERIOD WHEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ACCOUNT FOR THIS LOGIC AND, AND GAVE US A PRETTY IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS ON, ON HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. UM, THEY RECOMMENDED A TWO YEAR POOLING OPTION, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DECK TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT EXACTLY IS. BUT IT WAS, UH, PRETTY COMPLEX. UM, SOME STAKEHOLDERS EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR THAT PROPOSAL. UH, SOME ALSO HIGHLIGHTED THE COMPLEXITY IN, IN THE ANALYSIS. UH, WE ALSO HEARD SOME FEEDBACK FROM STAKEHOLDERS THAT, UH, TO MOVE AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL DEMAND RESPONSE AND TO MOVE TOWARDS A DER INSTEAD. THE IMM PRESENTED SOME COMMENTS THAT THEY FILED THAT SUGGESTED REJECTION, UH, OF NPR 1296, CITING THE PRICE SUPPRESSION CONCERNS AND IMMATERIAL DR INCENTIVES. UH, SO WE HAD A WIDE RANGE OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ONE, AND MAYBE DIANA CAN HOLD ME, UH, ACCOUNTABLE HERE AT, AND ALSO IKA, I BELIEVE WE HEARD SOME COMMENTS FROM PUC STAFF AT THE MARCH 11TH PRS, WHICH OCCURRED AFTER THIS CONVERSATION THAT, UH, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED A PAUSE ON REVIEW OF THIS NPRR, UH, PENDING A STUDY THAT'S, THAT'S COMING UP. SO, UH, WIDE RANGE OF CONVERSATION AROUND THIS ONE. BUT, UH, DON'T SEE ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD ANYTIME SOON. UH, AND TO ADD ON TO THAT, ERCOT WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT THE RDPA LOGIC. SO THIS ONE IS KIND OF IN A, A STANDSTILL AT THIS TIME. UM, AND ONE MORE NPRR TO DISCUSS NPR 1315, UH, ERCOT HAS, HAS STATED THEY'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS, THIS ONE FORWARD ON A, A PRETTY QUICK TIMELINE, UH, SEEKING A JUNE BOARD. UM, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS AT OUR MARCH 4TH MEETING, WMS UH, EXPRESSED DISCOMFORT AT MOVING FORWARD, UH, WITH A VOTE AT THAT TIME. AND ACTUALLY, WE HAD SOME REQUESTS FOR A DEDICATED WORKSHOP, WHICH HAS BEEN SCHEDULED FOR MARCH 27TH. UH, WE DO HAVE SOME ERCOT OPERATIONS STAFF TO JUST GO OVER BASICALLY THEIR BOARD PRESENTATION AND, AND GIVE STAKEHOLDERS A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS, UH, WITH SOME SUPPORT, UH, TSP SUPPORT AS WELL. UM, SOME TOPICS THAT I EX EXPECT THAT WE WILL DISCUSS AT THE WORKSHOP, UH, ARE THE LOAD FORECAST THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE RFP, UH, MITIGATION CONCERNS, PRICE FORMATION CONCERNS AND COST ALLOCATION CONCERNS WERE ALL RAISED AS ISSUES FOR DISCUSSION AT THE WORKSHOP. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED WMS MEETING ON APRIL 1ST, WHERE WE WILL SEEK TO, TO, UH, COME TO A VOTE ON 1315 IN ORDER TO, TO TRY TO MEET ERCOT TIMELINE. UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT, UH, ONE LAST POINT ON 1315, UH, ERCOT HAS PRODUCED, UH, A SET OF DRAFT NPR R THAT WOULD IMPLEMENT, UH, PRICE FORMATION AND MITIGATION LOGIC, UH, TO HANDLE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY STAKEHOLDERS, BUT WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS A, A BIFURCATED APPROACH. AND THESE, UH, TWO EFFORTS WILL BE TRAVELING ON DIFFERENT TIMELINES. THE, THE RFP FOR 1315, UM, AND THEN THE, THE PRICE FORMATION AND MITIGATION WOULD COME AT A MU, UH, A LATER TIMELINE IF APPROVED. UH, THAT [04:10:01] WAS A LOT, BUT HAPPY TO UNPACK ANY OF, UH, THE CONVERSATION IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS ON 13, 15. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON 1315? WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON FRIDAY. THAT MAY BE IT FOR ME IF NO QUESTIONS. OKAY. I'LL GO TO THE Q. IS BILL BARNES ALLOWED TO HOLD VOTES FOR HIS ENTIRE SEGMENT? , YES. I MEAN, IT'S BILL'S WORLD. WE'RE, IT BILL'S WORLD, JUST LIVING IN IT, LIVING IN AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS SUSIE GETS ALL THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK ON THE BACK END. OH MAN. AS LONG AS SUSIE'S HAPPY, WE CAN ALL BE HAPPY. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD BASKETBALL REFERENCE, BUT NBA JAM SCORING IS WHAT WE GOT GOING ON THERE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DON'T LEAVE THE ROOM AGAIN. BILL . ALRIGHT. UH, [11. Credit Finance Sub Group (CFSG) Report] CFSG REPORT. AND WE DO HAVE ONE VOTING ITEM COMBO. CAN YOU HEAR WHAT IT IS FIRST? BRIAN . CAN THE VOTING ITEM BE PRESENTED TO YOU? SURE. OKAY. SO THE, THE CFSG MET ON MARCH 13TH. UH, VOTING MATTERS WERE ON NRR, SO WE HAD SEVERAL OF THEM THIS, THIS MONTH AND THEN APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND THEN REVIEWED THE REGULAR CREDIT EXPOSURE UPDATES. AND NEXT SLIDE. THE, UM, NPR R UM, MOST WERE DEEMED OPERATIONAL AND, AND APPROVED. UM, HOWEVER, NPRR 1292, UH, IT WAS A GRANULAR PRODUCT TYPE FOR CRR TIME OF USE. CURRENTLY, CRR ARE TRADED AS WEEKDAY, WEEKEND PEAK AND OFF PEAK, UH, WITH NO OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER SHA HEDGES. THE MORE GRANULAR CRR TIME OF USE BLOCKS, WE'LL DIVIDE WEEKDAY WEEKEND PEAK BETWEEN SOLAR AND NON-SOLAR HOURS, WHICH PROVIDE THE MORE TARGETED HEDGING PRODUCT. UM, THE CFSG DETERMINED THIS DID NOT CHANGE THE CALCULATION METHODOLOGY. UM, HOWEVER, IT COULD IMPACT THE, UH, FUTURE CREDIT EXPOSURE DEPENDING ON THE PORTFOLIO HELD BY CR ACCOUNT HOLDERS. UH, SO IT DOES HAVE THAT CREDIT IMPACT, BUT OVERALL IT WAS APPROVED AT CFSG. OKAY. AND THE NEXT SLIDE, MONTHLY HIGHLIGHTS. UH, THERE, THE MARKET WIDE AVERAGE TOTAL POTENTIAL EXPOSURE DECREASED, UH, TO 2.01 BILLION FROM 2.27 IN JANUARY. UH, THE FORWARD ADJUSTMENT FACTORS ON AVERAGE DECREASE DURING THE MONTH. THE AVERAGE DISCRETIONARY COLLATERAL DECREASED FROM 5.66 BILLION IN JANUARY TO 5.45 BILLION IN FEBRUARY, AND THERE WERE NO UNUSUAL COLLATERAL CALLS, UH, THIS MONTH. OKAY. ONTO THE AVAILABLE CREDIT BY TYPE, UH, COMPARED TO TOTAL EXPOSURE. SO HOW IS TOTAL POTENTIAL EXPOSURE BEING MET? UH, YOU'LL SEE AGAIN, JANUARY KIND OF JUMPS OFF THE, THE CHART BECAUSE OF THE WINTER STORM THAT WE HAD ON FEBRUARY. THE, UH, COLLATERAL MOVED BACK DOWN TO KIND OF WITHIN THE NORMAL RANGE, UH, WITH THE SAME, SAME SPLIT. UH, MOSTLY MET WITH LETTERS OF CREDIT. ALL RIGHT, NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, THE DISCRETIONARY COLLATERAL. UH, FROM JANUARY TO FEBRUARY, WE DO SEE THE, THE, UH, KIND OF BUMP IN THE MIDDLE FROM THE WINTER STORM ACTIVITY, BUT EVERYTHING HAS RETURNED BACK TO NORMAL LEVELS. AND THE NEXT SLIDE, UH, THE ISSUER CREDIT LIMITS. THIS IS, UH, WHERE THEY ARE TODAY. EVERYBODY IS UNDER THE THRESHOLD, UM, AS OPPOSED TO HOW WE REPORTED LAST MONTH. SO, UM, WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE BULLET AND HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THERE, BUT MOST EVERYONE IS AT KIND THE NORMAL, NORMAL LEVEL HERE. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. UM, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? AND THEN DO YOU HAVE THE ONES, GO AHEAD. I THAT WE DO HAVE THE ONE VOTING ITEM? YEP. SO THE, UH, MEMBERSHIP EDITION, UH, OF WILL FROM OPEC. BRIAN SAID WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE COMBO BALLOT. IT'S A COMBO BALLOT. ALL RIGHT. UM, RTC PLUS, THANK YOU. JET RTC PLUS [12. RTC+B Task Force Report] B. UH, [04:15:01] THE TASK FORCE REPORT THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE ME. I'M, I'M THROWING A CURVE BALL AND I'M GONNA PINCH HIT RECORD. HE'S UNAVAILABLE UNFORTUNATELY, SO I'M SUBSTITUTION . ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO, UH, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND DAVID KEY HAS, HAS TALKED TO, UH, HAS TALKED TO, TO GORD ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, PER THE LAST MEETING, THE IDEA WAS TO FARM OUT THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE, UH, THE QUEUE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN DONE. ALL THE DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST T HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO THEIR VARIOUS, UH, WORKING GROUPS, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THEIR EVALUATION. AND SO AT THIS POINT, THE, THE TASK FORCE BELIEVES THAT IT HAS COMPLETED ITS WORK AND THAT ULTIMATELY THEY FEEL THAT, UM, WITH NO ADDITIONAL WORK TO GO, THAT IT, UH, THE TASK FORCE CAN BE FORMALLY SUNSETTED AT THIS POINT. SO THAT'S IT. THANKS. YES, MA'AM. JUST A REAL QUICK, REAL QUICK QUESTION. ON THOSE ASSIGNMENTS FROM THE RTC PLUS B, ARE WE GONNA CARRY THOSE ON THE TECH ASSIGNMENT SHEET OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA BE ASSIGNED OUT? I, I DON'T CARRY EITHER WAY. I WAS JUST ASKING, THEY'RE NOT TECH ACTION ITEMS, THEY'RE JUST GONNA GO OVER TO WMS, I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH. BOB, UH, WMS HAS CREATED ACTION ITEMS AND SENT THOSE TO THE WORKING GROUPS. SO I, I I THINK THEY'RE ALL CAPTURED. IS, IS THAT YOUR CONCERN OR? NO, I DIDN'T HAVE A CONCERN. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, SINCE IT WAS A TAC WORKSHOP, I WASN'T SURE IF THEY WERE GONNA GO ON OURS AND THEN SIGNED OUT OR IF THEY WERE JUST GOING, BUT THAT'S FINE. THEY'RE GOING TO WMS BECAUSE THAT'S FINE WITH ME. MARKET IS JUST RTC NOW. WELL, BUT I THINK THERE WAS AN ASK I CAN CONFIRM WITH GORD. WE, WE HAD ASKED TO SORT OF MAKE SURE WE ARE KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE THINGS WE SAID WE WOULD DO AFTER SOME TIME OR AFTER, YOU KNOW, SOME AMOUNT OF DATA, UM, FOR STAKEHOLDER REQUESTS AND, YOU KNOW, I I COMMISSION AND COMMISSION STAFF REQUESTS, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CHECK IN ON PERIODICALLY HERE. RIGHT. BUT THEY HAVE A SPREADSHEET I THINK, OF WHAT'S GOING TO WHERE WMS. YEAH. AND THEY'RE, I TRIED TO DRAFT THEM TO MAKE THEM TIME BOUND WITH SOME SORT OF EX EXIT STRATEGY. SO I ANTICIPATE THAT, YOU KNOW, LINE OF SIGHT ON WHEN THEY'LL BE DONE. OKAY. ARE YOU GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT AT NEXT WEEK? WMS OR NOTHING TO DISCUSS? I BELIEVE WE'LL HEAR BACK FROM WMWG ON THEIR DISCUSSION. OKAY. THAT THEY HAD, I THINK YESTERDAY, UH, CMWG WILL NOT HAVE THEIR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACTION ITEMS UNTIL NEXT MONTH. SO OKAY. POTENTIALLY A MONTH DELAY. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO GROUPS THAT MOST THINGS ARE GOING TO CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, KEITH? SO WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON, UM, SUNING OF R-T-C-B-T-F. CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE COMBO BALLOT? OKAY. LET'S PUT IT ON THE COMBO BALLOT. RIGHT. WE [13. ERCOT Report (Part 2 of 2)] ARE ONTO ERCOT REPORTS. UH, WE HAVE A BOARD STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT UPDATE FROM REBECCA. YEAH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF AN UPDATE. UM, WE WILL CONTINUE THE COMPANY ENGAGEMENTS AT THE APRIL BOARD MEETING AND THEN TARGETING JUNE AND SEPTEMBER BOARD FOR THE TOPIC SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS AT THE BOARD MEETING. CAN WE, JUNE, WHERE ALL THE PRIORITY ITEMS ARE DUE? CAN I ASK SOME LARGER POWER TO RECONSIDER THAT? YEAH, CHAD, IF YOU'RE LISTENING , UM, WELL WE, WE JUST HAVE A NUMBER OF, OF BOARD PRIORITIES TO GET THROUGH IN JUNE. SO I THINK, CAN I SAY YOU TWO? MARTHA? AND I WOULD PREFER WE DO THE EDUCATION SESSIONS STARTING IN SEPTEMBER AGAIN MAYBE. OKAY. WE CAN TAKE THAT BACK. OKAY. IT MAY, YOU KNOW IT, I THINK IT WOULD, BOB WOULD NEVER ASK HIM TO DO THAT, BUT NO, I'M JOKING. I DID WHAT BOB WOULD ASK CHAD, HE MIGHT NOT ASK YOU, BUT HE WOULD CALL FOR A, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO BE LISTENING. I THINK IT'LL, I MEAN, IT'LL TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF BOARD TIME TO GET THROUGH BATCH LOAD AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS TOO. 'CAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO APRIL BOARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANN. UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOPIC WILL BE? I DON'T, ARE YOU TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE TOPIC? I RECOMMEND. OKAY. OKAY. SEND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF TOPICS TO ANNE AND LET HER KNOW THAT SEPTEMBER WOULD BE BETTER THAN JUNE. OKAY. UM, WHERE ARE WE NOW? WE DID RPG PROJECTS, UH, A DR UPDATE [04:20:01] WITH RYAN KING. RYAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY MINUTES AS YOU WANT. WELL, I WILL TRY AND KEEP THIS, UH, INSIDE THE SHOT CLOCK PROVIDED I'M NOT FOULED OR TO USE A HOCKEY REFERENCE, UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY HIGH STICKING . SO LAST MONTH I CAME TO THE, UH, TO THE TAC GROUP REQUESTING INCREASES TO THE LIMITS TO PARTICIPATION FOR THE A DR PILOT. UM, ALSO AT THAT TIME I KIND OF NOTED THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF OUTGROWING THE, THE LIMITS, UH, OF THE PILOT. AND IF WE WANT TO MOVE TO, UH, I GUESS FROM JV TO, UH, TOP TIER, UM, WE REALLY NEED TO WORK THROUGH SOME, SOME FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE PREVENTING THE PILOT FROM REALLY MOVING TO A MORE SUSTAINABLE MARKET DESIGN, PERMANENT PART OF OUR MARKET DESIGN. AND SO THOSE ARE QUESTIONS AROUND, UH, MODELING, REGISTRATION, UH, DISPATCH ACCOUNTING FOR THE, THE DIFFERENT FEATURES OF THE ADRS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY START TO GROW, UH, HETEROGENEOUS. I THINK WE CAN MAINTAIN, UH, THE, THE TECHNOLOGY AGNOSTIC, UH, PHILOSOPHY, BUT STILL ACCOUNTING FOR THE UNIQUE FEATURES. SO WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY HAVE UNIFORMITY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TECHNOLOGY, UH, AGNOSTIC APPROACHES. UM, SO WHAT I'M REALLY REQUESTING IS WE NEED SOME TIME TO REALLY ENGAGE, UH, WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO ITERATE, TO BRING FORWARD PROPOSALS. AND THAT DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO AN UPDATE TO TAC OR AN UPDATE TO WMS. SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO EXPRESS HERE AND HOPING TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION AT WMS IS THAT, UH, IF WE CAN FIND EITHER UTILIZE OR DEVELOP A FORUM, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW US THE, THE TIME AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS TO, UH, ENGAGE WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO PERHAPS SOME ITERATION. I THINK THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY TO HELP US MOVE FROM PILOT TO PROTOCOL. AND SO I WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT, UH, CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY, UH, DIRECTION OR GUIDANCE THAT TAC COULD PROVIDE, WHETHER IT'S REFERRED SOMEWHERE ELSE. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S REALLY JUST THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST TODAY. THANK YOU, RYAN. IS THERE ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK ON WHAT THE VENUE FOR THE NEXT ONGOING DISCUSSION SHOULD LOOK LIKE? NED? SORRY RYAN, THIS IS AWKWARD TO . UM, WHAT'S THE TIMING THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO STAND THOSE UP? WELL, IDEALLY WE'D LIKE TO, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE AN IDEA THAT IF WE COULD GET, UH, SOME KIND OF A, A DRAFT PROTOCOL BY Q4 OF THIS YEAR, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE DISPATCH IS, IS BUT ONE PARTICULAR ITEM AND IT, WE, WE JUST NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, MONTHLY MEETINGS FROM BASICALLY APRIL ONGOING WHERE WE CAN HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND START TO MOVE THESE POLICIES FORWARD. UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO START THIS AS SOON AS WE CAN, BUT, UM, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON, ON, ON THE GUIDANCE. WE MENTIONED THE IDEA OF, UH, POTENTIALLY A TASK FORCE, IF THAT'S SORT OF, UH, TOO MANY CALORIES TO BURN FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS, WE'RE ALSO HAPPY TO KIND OF UTILIZE, UH, UH, A FORM, BUT WE WANNA GET THAT DIRECTION AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERESTED PARTIES ARE AWARE OF THIS. I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH SOME PARTICULAR STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE PILOT. THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF DSP ISSUES THAT WE ALSO NEED TO, TO WORK THROUGH. SO WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING THINGS HOLISTICALLY. OKAY. WELL, SO THE RE ONE OF THE REASONS I ASK IS, UM, THERE, THERE'S A LOT THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT A BIT TODAY. UM, SO IF IT WAS LIKE A NEXT MONTH OR MAY, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE. UM, BUT THE OTHER IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE A DR PILOT CAME TO THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS, I THINK PART OF THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE THE BROADER STAKEHOLDER INPUT ON, ON HOW THAT DEVELOPS. AND SO THAT, JUST THINKING OFF THE CUFF BY THE, BY THE WAY, IS, UM, HAVING IT IN A STAKEHOLDER BODY, YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET MORE HOLISTIC FEEDBACK THAN JUST IN A STANDALONE TASK FORCE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY A SMALL SEGMENT AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET EVERYONE UP TO SPEED ON IT. SO THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL OR NOT, BUT CERTAINLY I, I THINK THAT HELPS ON THE REPRESENTATIVE SIDE. UH, BUT JUST GIVEN HOW FULL THE AGENDAS ARE, UH, AT AT WMSI, I DON'T THINK I WOULD BE WELCOME BACK IF I EXTEND THIS MEETING TO ABOUT SIX 30, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE NEED. RIGHT. SO, SO IT MIGHT BE A WORKING GROUP THAT, OR MAYBE REPORTS UP TO WMS MIGHT BE, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S FINE. WE'RE, WE'RE JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR THE, THE, THE GUIDANCE WITH WHAT, WHAT, UH, WHAT STAKEHOLDERS THINK IS THE BEST VENUE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU BLAKE? [04:25:01] YEAH, BLAKE HOLT SPEAKING FOR WMS, UH, I AGREE A A LOT WITH NED'S POINT OF VIEW THERE. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE ENGAGEMENT IN A WORKING GROUP AND UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD PREFER TO USE THE WORKING GROUPS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND WOULD BE LOOKING TO WMS FOR, UH, GUIDANCE THERE AS TO WHICH ONE WOULD BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY CAPABLE GROUPS THAT COULD HANDLE THAT. BUT, UH, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. RYAN, HAPPY TO TAKE IT UP AT NEXT MEETING. MARTHA, THANK YOU. AND I JUST WANTED TO PILE ON TO THE COMMENTS THAT NED AND BLAKE HAVE MADE. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO USE AN EXISTING WORKING GROUP IF POSSIBLE. ALSO HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS TO NED WITH KICKING THIS OFF IN APRIL. I MEAN, WE'VE, PEOPLE ARE SWAMPED WITH OTHER STUFF THAT'S ON A VERY SHORT FUSE NOW. SO TO THE EXTENT THIS COULD BE INITIATED MORE IN THE JUNE TIMEFRAME, THAT COULD BE HELPFUL. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON AN ENCORE HAT HERE, YOU MENTIONED DSPS AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN ONE OF THE DSPS THAT HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE PILOT. I WOULD JUST SAY WE ARE JUST NOW STARTING TO SEE, UM, CONCENTRATIONS ON OUR SYSTEM THAT ARE GIVING US ENOUGH DATA TO ANALYZE ABOUT IMPACTS TO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. AND REALLY THAT'S ONLY HAPPENED WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO THINK ABOUT PROTOCOLS, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T ACTUALLY COMPLETED SOME OF THE CHARGE THAT WE WERE GIVEN UNDER THE PILOT. AND I THINK ENCORE AT LEAST IS PROBABLY GONNA NEED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS TO EVALUATE WHAT THESE CONCENTRATED AIDERS ARE DOING ON OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. MAYBE THERE'S SOME, SOME INFORMATION WE CAN BRING TO THE WORKING GROUP OR WHATEVER VENUE IS ULTIMATELY DECIDED. BUT I THINK THAT'S A BIG PIECE THAT'S STILL MISSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PILOT REALLY HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS YET. SO THE, THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN GATHER THERE, I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL IN INFORMING THE PROTOCOLS AND GUIDES THAT NEED TO BE ULTIMATELY CREATED. THANKS BRIAN. PLUS ONE FOR THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE, LET'S SEND IT TO DSWG OR WHEREVER BLAKE WANTS TO SEND IT. WELL, WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUT BILL, SAME COMMENTS. OKAY. YEAH, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO BLAKE A LITTLE BIT OFFLINE. I HAVE, YOU KNOW, AS IT TURNS OUT, REALLY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT WMS WORKING GROUPS. UM, BUT I, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD USE EXISTING WORKING GROUPS AND IF, IF SCOPES NEED TO BE CHANGED, UM, THEN I, I THINK LET'S CHANGE 'EM. AND IF WE NEED TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, IS THIS PERSON GOT INTO LEADERSHIP, BUT DO THEY REALLY WANT TO DO WHAT, WHAT THIS SCOPE IS? I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. I THINK WE'RE HAVING A TENDENCY TO JUST SEND EVERYTHING TO WMWG. UM, AND SO I, I PARTICULARLY KIND OF WANNA LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO SAWG, WHAT'S GOING TO WMWG AND WHAT'S GOING TO DSWG. BUT I, I HAPPEN TO THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIT FOR DSWG BECAUSE IT'S A DEMAND SIDE SOLUTION. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR RYAN? DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FROM US, I GUESS? WE'LL, YES. I, I, SO WE'LL, WE'LL PLAN TO HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT I, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE, THE, THE TIME TO, TO DISCUSS THIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. BLOCK CALENDAR [14. Other Business] SAYS ME, BUT I THINK THAT'S ANN. YEAH, WE HAVE THE BLOCK CALENDAR OUT THERE. IF YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I WOULD DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, NOVEMBER, UM, HOW WE HAD IT, IF WE GO WITH OUR REGULAR CADENCE, PRS MEETS EXACTLY A WEEK BEFORE TAC ON THOSE. SO WE SHIFTED PRS TO A TUESDAY IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND NOVEMBER I BELIEVE. UM, IT'S HARD FOR US TO TURN AROUND PRS MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ATTACK. OKAY, SO THE OTHER MONTHS, IT'S TWO WEEKS IN BETWEEN PRS AND TAC. YEAH. SO THIS WILL GIVE US LIKE A DAY EXTRA. AND THEN WE HAD TO SHIFT RMS TO A MONDAY IN JANUARY AND NOVEMBER BECAUSE OF THAT. SO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY INPUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE YET. OKAY. THINKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR ALREADY. OKAY. UM, ACTION ITEMS LIST. NO UPDATES TODAY. NED, WHAT'S UP NED? NO, NEVERMIND. NOTHING. OKAY. I, I SAW A HOLIDAY AND THOUGHT IT WAS A MEETING. DAVE , THAT'S THE DAY YOU MEET WITH YOUR FAMILY. [04:30:01] YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. [15. Combo Ballot (Vote) ] UM, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE GET TO THE COMBO BALLOT? BILL A MOTION? I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMBO BALLOT. IS THAT OKAY? NO. MAD SINCE I HAVE ALL THE POWER MAD TERM. WELL, YEAH, THAT, I MEAN, WHO'S MAKING THE MOTION? I GUESS WHICH ONE OF YOUR FOUR . YOU HAVE TO BE SURPRISED SINCE I, SINCE I WILL BE EXECUTING A VERY RARE FOUR POINT PLAY DURING THE VOTING, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO COREY GET TO PICK WHO MADE, WHO MADE THE MOTION. CAN HE MAKE A MOTION AND SECOND IT . I GUESS HE'S COME OFF THE BENCH FOR THREE FEET NOW. . OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GET A REAL SECOND, COREY? OKAY. CAN I GET A SECOND? NED? LET'S GET A SECOND. NED. OH, NED. COREY'S NOT AMUSED. COREY'S NOT COREY'S ALWAYS AMUSED BY US. UM, AND JUST REMINDER, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. IF ANYONE NEEDS TO PULL SOMETHING FROM THIS COMBO BALLOT TO ABSTAIN OR VOTE NO, BE GREAT TO DO IT NOW. OTHERWISE YOUR ABSTENTION OR NO WILL REFLECT ACROSS EVERYTHING ON THIS COMBO BALLOT AND YOU'LL HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE BOARD AS TO WHY YOU OPPOSED EVERYTHING . ALRIGHT, COOL. THAT'S A BRIAN SANDS LEGACY MOVE. ALL RIGHT THEN ON OUR MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMBO BALLOT, WE WILL START UP WITH THE CONSUMERS, WITH MARK DREYFUS. YES SIR. THANKS SIR. MARK FOR NICK? YES SIR. THANK YOU. MIKE REED? YES. THANK YOU BRETT FOR GARRETT. YES, THANK YOU, BETH. YES, THANK YOU WILL. YES, THANK YOU SIR. ONTO OUR CO-OPS, BLAKE? YES. THANK YOU, KYLE. YES, THANK YOU MIKE WISE. YES. THANK YOU LUCAS. FOR JOHN? YES. THANK YOU. ONTO OUR INDEPENDENT GENERATORS. NED? YES. THANK YOU COREY. THANK YOU BRIAN. YES, THANK YOU. YOU UH, BOB? YES SIR. THANK YOU CAITLIN. ANN'S TRYING TO GET ME TO ABSTAIN. , SHE SAID WHEN THE BOARD SY SAY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO IN THE WAY COREY . SO I THINK THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO. THAT'S REPETITIVE. YES. YES. THANK YOU. UNDER IPMS, IAN? YES. THANK YOU COREY. THANK YOU SHANE FOR REMI? YES SIR. YOU AND THEN SHANE FOR SETH? YES SIR. AGAIN, THANK YOU. AND AMANDA ONLINE PERHAPS? YES. OH, THANK YOU. ON TO OUR I REPS. BILL, I THINK WE'VE ONLY GOT YOU CONFIRMED FOR A THREE POINTER. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE UH, I THINK IT JUST CAME IN. WE GOT IT. OKAY. COOL. YEAH. TOP, TOP PLAYERS. GOTTA GET YOUR NIL AGREEMENTS IN PLACE. WE CAN'T JUST GIVE YOU THE MONEY. WE'VE GOTTA KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT ALL THE PAPERWORK DONE, SO GOTTA BE YEP. NCAA APPROVED. YEP. SO, OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT AUTHORIZATION. TRUE. BILL, YOU ARE THE I REP. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE? ? YES. YES, YES AND YES. YES. YEAH. YOU OUGHT TO ABSTAIN. TEMPTED, BUT YES. YOU OUGHT TO ABSTAIN FOR ONE OF 'EM. YEAH, LET THEM GO. EXPLAIN. ALRIGHT. UNDER IOUS. MARTHA? YES. THANK YOU. EBY? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AARON? YES. THANK YOU ROB. FOR KEITH? YES. THANK YOU. AND OR MUNIS? UH, DIANA'S FOR DAVID NOW? YES. THANK YOU. ALICIA? YES. THANK YOU JOSE? YES SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND CURTIS? YES. THANK YOU ALL. MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. IT'S A SLAM DUNK AT THE BUZZER. YAY. . OKAY. IN OVERTIME. YEAH. WAIT, I WAS GONNA SAY IT FEELS LIKE DOUBLE OVERTIME IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. WHAT? WHAT'S UP BLAKE? BLAKE HOLE. LCRA. HAVE DID WE DISCUSS ACTION ITEMS OR DID I JUST MISS IT? WE'RE DONE. WE'RE DONE. WE'RE DONE. WE, UH, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IF I HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, DIDN'T DISCUSS THEM. DO YOU HAVE AN ACTION ITEM? I DO HAVE AN ACTION ITEM. MAYBE IT'LL ONLY TAKE 30 SECONDS TO REVIEW. CAN YOU SAY IT AND THEN EMAIL IT TO MARTHA? 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE NOBODY WANTS TO PUT ANYTHING ON A SCREEN. YEAH, THIS HAS TO DO WITH SOME DISCUSSION WE HAD ABOUT THE DOE 2 0 2 C ORDER. MM-HMM . UH, LAST MEETING AND WE DID GET A HEADS UP FROM YOU ON THIS. SO THAT'S MY FAULT. HAD WORKED COLLABORATIVELY WITH KEITH OVER THE INTERIM AND KEITH PRESENTED SOME LANGUAGE THAT I THINK WOULD WORK WELL. UH, ERCOT AND STAKEHOLDERS WILL WORK COLLABORATI COLLABORATIVELY TO IMPROVE PROCESSES TO ENHANCE TRANSPARENCY AND PRICING DURING A REQUEST FOR RECEIPT [04:35:01] OF AND USE OF DO 2D OE 2 0 2 C AUTHORITY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ACTION ITEM FOR WMS TO TAKE ON AND WORK WITH ERCOT ON RULES FOR THAT OR, OR HOW THAT MIGHT WORK. UM, WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THERE. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD THING? YEAH. SOUNDS GOOD. UH, WE'LL TAKE THAT ON AT OUR NEXT MEETING IS WE HAD ONE MORE FOR WMS THAT I BELIEVE KEITH WROTE, BUT WE NEVER PUT UP HERE BECAUSE 1315, IT'S NOT GONNA START AND END THERE. SO I WANTED SOMETHING ABOUT PRICE FORMATION GENERALLY. I BELIEVE YOU WROTE ONE, BUT WE JUST NEVER, I DID. GOT IT. AND I SAID I DIDN'T LIKE IT OR SOMETHING. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? OKAY, SO WE'RE, WE'RE WAITING. WE'RE, WE'LL BRING THAT ONE TO MARTHA AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHAMPION FOR THAT ONE IS SETH BECAUSE HE'S IS NOT HERE AND BECAUSE I ALREADY TOLD HIM HE WAS, BUT OKAY. IS THAT, AND YOU WERE IN THAT CONVERSATION TOO, BLAKE? I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'S DON'T REMEMBER IF THAT ONE WAS MATURE YET, BUT THIS ONE I THOUGHT, THOUGHT WAS SO OKAY. THAT ONE'S PERFECT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. CAN WE ADD OUR CHAMPION? DO YOU NEED A CHAMPION MARTHA VERSION? YEAH, WE NEED A PERSON FOR EVERYTHING. YOU CAN PUT MY NAME ON IT? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH KEITH ON THE, I THINK MY POINT IS JUST WHATEVER PRICE FORMATION ISSUES, I DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE WE'RE DONE WITH IT AFTER 1315 AND YOU CAN PUT MY NAME ON IT IF WE CAN'T PUT SETH'S NAME ON IT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER, OTHER BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. UM, WE CAN ADJOURN. GO TO ROSS NEXT WEEK. AND WMS. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.